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Hero #1
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 05:22
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Hey Moki, the essay talks about stuff which other people are banging their head about
Did you finally incorporate their views and blend up a Jamba dark brew ? 
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 05:54
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She didn't incorporate jack. Just reiterated her views for the nth time  I like the way she's ridiculed everyone who doesn't share her view, including artists who make up a bigger part of the scene than her unholiness. I would like to say "Call it what you want"...but there is clearly a gross misconception in using the Hindu religion and the Tibetan book of the dead. I mean Buddhists are just not "DARK" peeps Neither are the Hindus. And about people in poor countries not seeing light in their lives...Another bunch of crap. Welcome to India, land of some of the poorest, and they still smile Welcome to Mumbai, the beggar girl knocking on your window does smile and joke and play with her peers.
Quote from THE ESSAY by Tina:
"exploitation and commercializing of the most ancient cultures."
Isn't this what you are kind of doing yourself Tina??
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Braindrop
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 06:41
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The battle continues.....  . Time to pack ur bags Moki
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Namaha Recs
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 07:14
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@Moki,
Please stop using your interpretations of Eastern cultures and traditions as facts for your arguments. Look at the BIGGER picture, from an objective point of view. From your essay, as far as your views on Hinduism are concerned, you fail to grasp the symbology of the Nataraja as per traditional belief and culture.
From your essay:
"His symbolic dance has always been an important subject in the trance culture, which is a fact that makes this culture a modern substitute for religion worshipping the dark side since its very beginning."
From this and from the rest of the paragraph, one can infer that you are associating the Taandav symbology with "worshipping the dark side" [as per your words]. Please understand that LONG before the Nataraj symbol was adopted into the trance culture, it has been used for hundreds of years in the Indian art schools of Dance and Music, which are FAR from anything considered to be even remotely 'dark'!
I would suggest [if you havent already] to witness a Bharatanatyam performance, and you will notice the elegant artistic and graceful movements of the dancers, to the soothing rhythms of Carnatic music..all of which are performed after offering a puja to a Nataraja statue, which is always on the stage of any performance! This does not mean the performance has any "DARK" connotations to it.
Similarly, if you witness a Carnatic music performance, they always have a Nataraja adorning the stage, yet there is nothing even remotely "dark" about the music!
It is pure rhythm, pure dance , which is being expressed, which on one level is used to transcend the dualities of good/bad, light/dark.
My point is that you cannot associate the trance dance ritual as a 'modern substitute for religion worshipping the dark side' just because it has adapted the Nataraja image into the culture. With strong roots in Indian traditional arts, the Nataraja does not depict worshipping the dark side! The symbolism of the dance of Shiva (in the form of Nataraja) is represented by the attitude called "Ananda Taandavam". Ananda meaning pure BLISS. Traditionally, in Indian arts, the Nataraja represents pancha-kriya, or 5 states/actions, of out which destruction/smhara is just one! And the dancers depict this state also in the most graceful and 'light' manners!
From your essay,
"it expresses the idea that the trance culture has always been guided by the power of the dark side"
ABSOLUTELY not! this statement is not fact, and you are misinterpreting the symbology of the Nataraja statue as per traditional Indian culture and arts.
so please stop stating false information about Hindu culture, religion and traditions, and using them as facts for your arguments. This further confuses individuals who actually wish to know and learn about the true use of such symbols as per Indian traditions and culture. You have given a false representation of one of the most beautiful symbols given to us by Hinduism, so please understand and respect the traditional and RIGHTFUL imagery of Lord Shiva as Nataraja.
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rich
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 09:02
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Nicely said Namaha
Good to see some truth shed here regarding Hinduism.
Off topic but just wanted to share, my daughter performed her Bharatanatyam Arrangetram at age 12 and brought tears to the eyes of all who were there, including the musicians she performed with. Unbelievably beautiful and compelling.
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moki
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 11:02
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On 2008-12-05 05:54, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
She didn't incorporate jack. Just reiterated her views for the nth time I like the way she's ridiculed everyone who doesn't share her view, including artists who make up a bigger part of the scene than her unholiness. I would like to say "Call it what you want"...but there is clearly a gross misconception in using the Hindu religion and the Tibetan book of the dead. I mean Buddhists are just not "DARK" peeps Neither are the Hindus. And about people in poor countries not seeing light in their lives...Another bunch of crap. Welcome to India, land of some of the poorest, and they still smile Welcome to Mumbai, the beggar girl knocking on your window does smile and joke and play with her peers.
Quote from THE ESSAY by Tina:
"exploitation and commercializing of the most ancient cultures."
Isn't this what you are kind of doing yourself Tina??
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ah, actually i would prefer that you write in the other topic but anyway i will answer you here too. no, this is not what i am doing, this is what you are doing. i dont commercialize because i never took any cent for what i did. tibetans are not only dark, but have the darkness inside of their concepts , exactly as the hindus. and your post from the last page is slightly incorrect. the light is only the first bardo, then comes something different which is the wrathful visions. i dont have much time for the battle anymore, at least for this topic i am too bored now. hope you understand ( but i will follow the other topic though if you have sth meaningful to say there. and note: this is an essay.
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V3NOM
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 12:15
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it is exactly what you are doing. |
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shahar
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Posted : Dec 6, 2008 14:56
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And talking about misuse of Hindu symbolism- my Professor of Indian studies- David Shulman, one of the most respected scholars of Classic Indian Studies, clamis that the concept of symbolism itself is a western concect that cannot be applied at all to Indian thought.
This is a very interesting observation, and while I find it hard to grasp, as a westerner, even if I have studied Indian culture and languages, and spent quite a long time in India, I feel there is something to it.
Just thought that can interest some here...
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V3NOM
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Posted : Dec 6, 2008 15:43
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. I hate you, you hate me, we are all so hap hap happy! |
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moki
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Posted : Dec 7, 2008 13:06
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On 2008-12-06 14:56, shahar wrote:
And talking about misuse of Hindu symbolism- my Professor of Indian studies- David Shulman, one of the most respected scholars of Classic Indian Studies, clamis that the concept of symbolism itself is a western concect that cannot be applied at all to Indian thought.
This is a very interesting observation, and while I find it hard to grasp, as a westerner, even if I have studied Indian culture and languages, and spent quite a long time in India, I feel there is something to it.
Just thought that can interest some here...
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and this one, actually instead of deleting or closing my topic about the meaning of dark psy , you should have deleted my acccount here instead. cause it makes no sense you know, you close the topic about dark psy, but i can also continue in another topic. you see?
the religions are the past. they are the root of all wars on this planet. in my opinion they are the dark side themselves. all wars on this planet happened because of fundamentalism. people felt insulted. and actually if the people really believed in their religions, as universal love and universal justice, they would never behave like they do. they dont fucking even believe, they just pretend to. and start wars. in my culture there was 500 years of slavery because of religions. the islamists dont like christians, fine. the whole culture has been destroyed, all temples and cities from 6000 years ago. before that, again it was all destroyed cause the christians did not like the pagans worshipping orpheus and the frequence. it was all only wars on this fucking planet and all done because of religions. religions will die. there is no god up there in the sky. panta rei, the world is a frequence.
the symbols are the most important thing in them. cause they are the way to focus your energy on a particular power. and this is the only good thing in religions. that they have such a wide variety of symbols to offer, all of them. that is why i think they are overhuman. they came from aliens or from a higher race. we are too stupid to create such a geniuos thing as religions are. they must be over human. but no fucking god out there in the sky. it is all only in our heads. even if we see god, it is just in our head, created by our brain cells. so, and now you can ban me, i am too blasphemic for your place. i mean really, closing topics will not help you to the least. i can always write in another place.
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moki
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Posted : Dec 8, 2008 15:40
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CMeRTb FaWucTa/\/\
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Posted : Dec 9, 2008 22:57
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Me: Hi psy
Psy: Hi me
Me: Dark psy
Psy: Yo mama |
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V3NOM
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Posted : Dec 10, 2008 00:44
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must say proggi is rather sexy when you see the hot chicas on the dance floor! *howling*
I hate you, you hate me, we are all so hap hap happy! |
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Kims
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Posted : Dec 10, 2008 02:09
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V3NOM
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Posted : Dec 10, 2008 03:05
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98% of it doesn't even have that dark an atmosphere, just twists and turns and a helluva lot of energy to boost your mind above and beyond, and make you stomp 4 real!
Just coz a track has someone scream or someone talkign about demons n' angels doesn't give it a dark atmoshpere.
especially if you compare to black metal groups like Mayhem, Anaal Nathrakh and Blut Aus Nord. (many more as well).
They make most "dark" psy seem like happy la-la fun times music haha!
So yuh chill, call it what you want Mr Ocelot and all others, don't force your opinion down our mouth and we won't do the same back to you!
Let's just dance, drink and be merry!
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