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rich
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 21:15
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On 2008-12-03 20:46, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
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Anyway, please list some artists or tracks that you're referring to as dark or that put you in that 'devil' place. I'd like to know what your frame of reference is.
Thanks
ps when yo usay 'just face the darkness' it sounds very childish. like you are doing it and expect everyone else to? fuck that. I'm on my own path, thank you.
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Dogon
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 21:18
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On 2008-12-03 20:46, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
and yeah, i know what you will say. you will say, what is the meaning to see this all, trance parties have always been about escaping from reality at least in a temporary state. yeah, that is right. but the meaning is just to be aware of that darkness and to go through it in a trance state, to transfer it in light. to have a healing trance experience - for you and for the rest of the humans. just face the darkness. this is all. and it is a very trancy thing, it is not just a political attempt or whatever or just anarchy and destruction. it is much much more. to start by the devil and go beyond it.
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@Moki: what do you think about just dancing to the "dark" tunes?
Just curious to know what you think. Is it just about darkness & light at the end of the tunnel & Shiva VS Kali OR something more about MUSIC & DANCING with a happy smile on those "dark" tunes?
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moki
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 21:46
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List of artists here:
http://www.thedarkpsyde.com/
Face the darkness - i am not saying this as preaching but actually as an answer to what you people say. Stop calling it dark and bla bla bla fashion bla bla bla. This what i write is just my answer to that, open your eyes and grasp the concept. IT IS NOT A FASHION!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a philosophical concept, it is a religion for some people.
There are lots of people that i refer to as dark. Actually i almost stopped listening to the others.
Music and dancing yes, i dont wanna preach either. One of the things i believe in, is that people are free to do whatever they want (Beast 666= " DO WHAT YOU WANT" ). i could just go and dance but anyway it has never been about the dancing only , trance is about the visions. THE VISION IN TRANCE!!! Trance has never been about the music and the social party for me, i find it for myself boring ( and again it is only for myself). i have experienced 100 and 100 of parties and i am not in the age to just go and dance, i ve had this enough. The party is just a sacred territory for me, it is the sacrest thing in life. The djs also actually. I have a very special attitude to them.
i am sure that not even the artists in their majority see it as such a deep concept.....
But i find it boring just to dance cause at the end i feel like i have just spent another night on d*s and killed my own braincells. No time for that now.
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Dogon
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 21:53
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i think 'deep' & 'dark' are both different concepts right?
Deep is something i myself enjoy a lot, takes me into TRANCE right away. But when i say Dark, it doesnt really fit with the kind of vibe i feel with the music that is being talked about. Deep is IMO more appropriate than Dark.
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 22:52
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I'm not saying I have an issue with "facing the dark side". I'm not saying I have issues with the devil (though I do find this whole concept very juvenile). I'm saying it is a huge misinterpretation and a mis-representation to term a whole bunch of the artists (as found on the website provided by Moki) as "Dark"....There is nothing "dark" in Penta's music or Atriohm or present Fungus Funk music per se. To even add Iron Madness in the above website seems a gross mistake and I think this is what Ocelot was referring to when he said that you can't just group a whole bunch of non full on artists as "Dark". The website defines "DarkPsy" as full power night time music...so I say again, Penta doesn't fit here, Atriohm, Encephalopaticys as well etc etc. This is the misconception that I am trying to refute.
Also understand that many artists make music for "EVERYONE" and don't want to cater to a small group. When Psykovsky was asked if he could be added in the "darkpsy" website and give an interview, he refused...firstly because he doesn't want such publicity, secondly because his vision is that he makes music for EVERYONE...thirdly because he believes that his music is Unique and cannot be termed "darkpsy". So what's with the herd mentality??
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Basilisk
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 23:25
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This is not the first time I have read people on Isratrance stating that there is nothing dark about Penta. To that I have this to say: "What?" Darkness is relative. Older Penta certainly sounds dark to me and I would only play it "in the night, in the dark." (OK, but is it "darkpsy"? No, I wouldn't say that...)
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 23:39
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On 2008-12-03 23:25, Basilisk wrote:
(OK, but is it "darkpsy"? No, I wouldn't say that...)
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That is kind of what we are talking about. Glad you get the point. Whether it's darkpsy or not.
For the past 3 years maybe even 4, Penta has not made alot of music similar to his intial "darker" style. Yes it is deep, but NO, it's not been "dark" for a long time.
Yes, Darkness is relative..we've had alot of those pioneers here. We're merely wigging out about the few who insist it's not relative.
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moki
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 23:52
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When Psykovsky was asked if he could be added in the "darkpsy" website and give an interview, he refused...firstly because he doesn't want such publicity, secondly because his vision is that he makes music for EVERYONE...thirdly because he believes that his music is Unique and cannot be termed "darkpsy". So what's with the herd mentality??
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Well i didnt know that he refused to be listed in the Dark Psyde. Now i know.
SO he wants to make music for EVERYONE but he REFUSES to make music for the freaks who call it dark. Cause this is how it sounds.
Psykosky is coming in 10 days here to Berlin too. I will consider thinking this night if i am " pure" enough for his standards. I dont like to call it non dark, cause my vision is also not non dark while i am llistening to him. I remember this vision that i had while dancing on the Forgotten ritual - it was a vision about 2012. For the first time i had it so clear right in front of my eyes. I was seeing the future for the first time so clear. The sky opened and i knew i was having time travel to 2012 and the spirits of all people just went through this door in the sky and up in a tunnel. And the vision was again a vision out of the darkness, i was seeing people around that made me feel a little bit afraid - they looked quite bad on drugs, they were like stuck into nowwhere, sure you know what kind of people i am describing. And at once as i was starting to have a bad trip, then at once this vision arose out of the darkness, as a saviour. It got at once really bright and then the sky opened and i forgot about those people around me. Well i dont know. I am a little bit confused with this all now ( this time for real without irony). I tried to explain why i think that the word dark psy is appropriate so i guess i have nothing else to add. If i am not pure enough for the artists with my attitude and vision, then i will simply not go to their acts.
And if he wants to make music for everyone, why not concentrate on more classical psychedelic. Just to make an example Ocelot who started the topic is ways more classical which means that he has a stronger appeal for a wider segment of listeners. Well anyway i really hope not to start another quarrel now, i just express my views. I like it dark. And actually i dont feel unpure because i like it dark but anyway the artists have the word...I can also stay away. With me or without me who fucking cares:). I will find enough places to live my dark vision.
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Dec 4, 2008 00:01
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On 2008-12-03 23:52, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
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When Psykovsky was asked if he could be added in the "darkpsy" website and give an interview, he refused...firstly because he doesn't want such publicity, secondly because his vision is that he makes music for EVERYONE...thirdly because he believes that his music is Unique and cannot be termed "darkpsy". So what's with the herd mentality??
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Well i didnt know that he refused to be listed in the Dark Psyde. Now i know.
SO he wants to make music for EVERYONE but he REFUSES to make music for the freaks who call it dark. Cause this is how it sounds.
Psykosky is coming in 10 days here to Berlin too. I will consider thinking this night if i am " pure" enough for his standards. I dont like to call it non dark, cause my vision is also not non dark while i am llistening to him. I remember this vision that i had while dancing on the Forgotten ritual - it was a vision about 2012. For the first time i had it so clear right in front of my eyes. I was seeing the future for the first time so clear. The sky opened and i knew i was having time travel to 2012 and the spirits of all people just went through this door in the sky and up in a tunnel. And the vision was again a vision out of the darkness, i was seeing people around that made me feel a little bit afraid - they looked quite bad on drugs, they were like stuck into nowwhere, sure you know what kind of people i am describing. And at once as i was starting to have a bad trip, then at once this vision arose out of the darkness, as a saviour. It got at once really bright and then the sky opened and i forgot about those people around me. Well i dont know. I am a little bit confused with this all now ( this time for real without irony). I tried to explain why i think that the word dark psy is appropriate so i guess i have nothing else to add. If i am not pure enough for the artists with my attitude and vision, then i will simply not go to their acts.
And if he wants to make music for everyone, why not concentrate on more classical psychedelic. Just to make an example Ocelot who started the topic is ways more classical which means that he has a stronger appeal for a wider segment of listeners. Well anyway i really hope not to start another quarrel now, i just express my views. I like it dark. And actually i dont feel unpure because i like it dark but anyway the artists have the word...I can also stay away. With me or without me who fucking cares:). I will find enough places to live my dark vision.
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You obviously haven't heard alot of Psykovsky. Please do BUY the new album, you'll hear alot of "classical" refernces. Listen to the old album, that too has many classical, folk, indian classical refernces as well.
Music for EVERYONE does include the "dark Psy" freaks as well, what he's trying to say is that it is NOT ONLY for them, thus the requirement not to have a label...Why do you twist even the simplest of words and contort them in a manner that is just contrary to the intention??
Feel free to have your own experiences and interpretations, if you find something "dark" in all of this then fine.
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Colin OOOD
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moki
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of course he doesnt refuse to make music. its fucking clear. what are you explaining all the time Colin OOOD , do i have to see your stupid jpegs everywhere tell me ha????
he refuses to be put among those who call it dark. is this preciser???? cause "dark" is something sooo bad. our visions are sooo destructive and bad....we are the fashion. we are the side of the evil. and definitely if we are not there, the situation will be much less dark - it will be just peace and love everywhere around. right? i am almost embarassed to go to the act of someone who thinks dark is such a bad thing. sounds like the inquisition during the dark ages when the witches were put into the fire for not being light. really.
and the box is not so small at all. you see there names that even i would not put into the box dark psy. wide variety of night psychedelic artists there. could be also the night side, but it sound less intelligent und less visionary somehow.
and at the end of the day all these artists do have some common things in their music that unite them. the atmosphere or the intensity ot the twisted side or just going beyond the known structures. they have something common that makes them different from any other style. it means they are a part of a style too. and since no other word could be established, the word dark is used by many to describe this specific sounds. why not. if someone has such a big problem with that, even after all the explanations about the deepness of this philosophy behind the word, then okey.
yes. then stay by :
"night full on that is actually not always full on and sometimes twisted but sometimes not so twisted but flowing" - style
i prefer to call it just dark. anyway out with that too. again like the goa gil discussion i see it is useless.
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Posted : Dec 4, 2008 03:53
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I like Collin OOOD's comments and jpegs.
A picture says a thousand words, whereas your essays just give a thousand headaches trying to work out the awful grammar and sentence structure  |
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Dec 4, 2008 04:27
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Moki...if it means so much for you to view it as dark and all else....who are any of us to rain on your parade. Go for it. Each person could listen to the same body of music and have a different vision and understanding of it. Doesn't make you right or wrong..same goes for me.
No one thinks dark is a bad thing, atleast I don't. I just think that using the term to generalize such a vast array of artists and music is sometimes deceptive. It's very limiting that's all. I'm not trying to change your views, or shake your faith...merely saying that there is such variety in the music, so to use just one word to describe it seems very misleading. But if it makes things easier for you I accept your argument.
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Posted : Dec 4, 2008 04:31
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^^ 
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moki
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Posted : Dec 4, 2008 12:40
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On 2008-12-04 03:53, sergeantpepper666 wrote:
I like Collin OOOD's comments and jpegs.
A picture says a thousand words, whereas your essays just give a thousand headaches trying to work out the awful grammar and sentence structure
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go to hell! did i come to you to ask you to read it? just dont fucking read it if it so much work for you. and i definitely dont accept the word whore pronounced in my presence. go to the last century with your stupid comments.
and to this topic, no i dont have such a big problem with it either, besides the fact that i would definitely not go to trip to any live act or dj who is such a strong opposition of this beautiful term dark. well, as you can watch in my interview with highko here: http://www.timewavezero-productions.com/tv/index.php?id=57 he also says at one place he doesnt like the word dark but he never came to tell me that he refuses to be called a dark psychedelic artist and be put into a small box.
and this is the difference. i would probably go to this party with psykovsky in a week and actually i would love to ask him what is so bad about the website of Phantapsy , the dark psyde, but i will prbably not bother to do it cause i dont like to spend much time with "upper class" anymore. but anyway. if i go, i will feel extremely limited in my perception after i know this all.
anyway.
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