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stop calling psy dark
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moki
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 21:07
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and why senseless? for me it is not senseless to say why this is my psychedelic religion. i have brighter terms for dark than just a style for music and i want to express them in some way rather than seeing how my religion is being abused:). why should i take the terms of the artists, they do music , not terms....what they prefer, they dont prefer anything....they call it just music. or psychedelic music or whatever.
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moki
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 21:15
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and by the way what do you prefer? may be here is one right now who can tell me why shouldnt i call his music dark ??
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mk47
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 21:29
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On 2008-11-30 21:15, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
and by the way what do you prefer? may be here is one right now who can tell me why shouldnt i call his music dark ??
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On 2007-01-22 03:23, ocelot wrote:
hey
please stop calling all psychedelic trance music "dark"
if its not house music
or old-school-goa
or rave-anthem cheese ahem full-on
(since when did that become a style not an adjective? oh sorry since GMS invented the genre that entire industries are built on today with two seminal albums- "no rules" and "gms vs systembusters"...oh absolum and talamasca helped with that curvy bassline i would say- but HOmmega was still making Old-School-Goa mind you- which was actually pretty good until about FullOnAudio Vol4)
i object to the use of the term "dark" for anything but gothic stuff with screams and horror sounds...while there is much of this to be sure- this is hardly the term i would use for the vast majority of psytrance that is not house or rave-cheese or old-school-goa...
btw there are actually some interesting new progressive sounds that i would have to say give actual meaning to the word progressive and as such- since the word means absolutely nothing anymore- we have to think of a new word... futuristic? forward-moving trance?
hmmmm
and we need another category for artists and music that defy all the BULLSHIT boxes and just make good music that flows seamlessly between worlds and floats across genres like they are NOTHING!
which in fact, THEY ARE!!!! nothing.
but mental boxes invented by highly uncreative people with sticks up their ass.
so much so that one or two will probably contradict me. you just watch
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moki
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 21:35
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yeah what is that now?
i know the opinion of ocelot, i knew it even before the forum cause we had a nice conversation once. but as i said, and i would ask you all to open your eyes right now for a second, i do not insist to call it like that if i am with them. neither did i preach to ocelot why it is my religion , nor did i explain to highko after that video interview that dark is not such a bad term, actually it is beautiful. and these are the only two people that have told me personally that they dont prefer dark and i dont call it llike that in front of them, it doesnt fucking matter, the musci is perfect.....and the third one is goa gil - in his presense i respect it to be not called dark psy. but anyway, these are the only cases and i respect their view, it is their music....but generally why not dark. i dont get it. and most people that i know call it dark too. dark is such a deep beautiful term, i cant understand why not dark. but i can imagine it, cause i didnt want to call it dark for a long time, it was a real blasphemy you know
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 22:03
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live and let live
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moki
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 23:43
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and before i get out of this brilliant forum of god love and light, that makes me almost blind, i have the urge to say another senseless thing at the end.
about the violence.
the violence that was mentioned in this first post of ocelot. so i will say a last word about it specially to him and i hope we discuss further next time somewhere offline.
or may be just this violence:
http://www.triplag.com/music/cd/CPC.da.Friends.-.Violence/
it is a very deep thing too.
and now even if fria tantrumm will again come to explain to me how bad it is to call dark psy dark, i would like to drop these last lines.
i really like the concept too, as well as the music.
it is a very deep thing.
and violence happens all the time, it is the reality. did you know that it is the reality? did you know that the world is a place of energy vampires and wars? the light is only in your utopies.
the roots of human violence are very well explained by a world known psychiatrist ,stanislav grof. it is about the prenatal phases before the birth of a human being - the darkness and the tunnels of the mother womb. it is definitely something interesting to get to know, especially if you keep in mind that grof is a pioneer in hallucinogen research and also a pioneer of non ordinary states psychology. you should check the topic one day if you have the time, he compares the whole thing with the bardo experience of the tibetan book of the death. no time to lose for senseless posts anymore, doesnt fucking matter actually, i will call whatever i want hoever i want even if i am the only one demented person so if anyone has sth against calling it dark, he should come and tell to me in the eyes. but anyway check grof and his violence concepts. and this release, i like it. it is about how to get out of the violence in our own souls. how to break the definitions of violence and agression in our unconsciousness. whatever. everything has a meaning. just look beyond. it is not just a fucking party music. for many ppl yes, but ot for all. everything has a deep meaning.
and the dark side is deinitely not just a fashion for some people. so wish you a lot of fucking light, gods of light and wahtever, you are the thing you know
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V3NOM
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Posted : Dec 1, 2008 00:25
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Nobody is telling you how to define your taste in music Moki, people are just expressing their own opinions and perceptions, it is called be your individual self instead of being a sheep.
I like psychedelic trance, my taste in the psychedelic just so happen to lean more toward the cyber and dark psy sounds, others don’t.
A lot of the groups I mentioned as cyber or acid fuelled energy trance (Highko/KDD/Osom/Cosmo et al.) remind me so much of one of my fav old school compilations called Tantrance 6, the cyber darker style is really similar, but no one calls that compilation dark trance.
At then end of the day people will call things what they want.
Style and choice is individualistic and therefore no one should be judged by it.
Why fight over this at all?
Mokie likes dark psy and I like psychedelic trance, these two fall under the same category for us, so we can both be happy calling it different things, but dance our ass off to the same thing on the dance floor *w00t* 
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Posted : Dec 1, 2008 00:31
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You are delusional. If you find beauty and deep meaning in Violence, kindly seek some medical help. Violence is a reality we are trying to cure ourselves off. Dr. Grof's research is aimed at explaining the origins of violence and the methods to subdue such emotions. You always talk about Scientists but only say a small bit of what they do, conveniently leaving out the rest. Maybe you are just into some dark Gothic crap, and if you find a harmonious life Utopic and cheesy, I hope you experience some real sick dark torture and loss and then you will realize how in reality such things really hurt, while to use it as part of a scene might seem cool.
You stay in your little fluoro apartment playing your digi, smoking the weeds, wearing the red sunglasses, and pioneer the darkside....wait till your hand blows up or your eye is wrenched out in some violent attack and then lets hear what you have to say. Yes music has deep meaning...and it's meant to take you higher not bloody lower, base or violent. I mean if that's the type of shit you are into then I wish you luck. BUt that ain't psychedelic 
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Dec 1, 2008 00:41
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Moki quoted a couple of days back
"well anyway, the point is that psychedelic has always been dark"
All I am saying is that this is total CRAP. This statement is crap, Moki's arguments about this statement is crap....I don't have a problem with Moki liking "Dark Psy" or even calling it "Dark Psy", but it's statement like the above that are just bloody ridiculous.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 1, 2008 00:55
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On 2008-12-01 00:41, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
All I am saying is that this is total CRAP. This statement is crap, Moki's arguments about this statement is crap....
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You forgot red sunglasses.
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V3NOM
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Posted : Dec 1, 2008 01:23
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I think the way she carries on Moki is much more into emotrance 
where is that hotdog seller got to!?
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moki
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Posted : Dec 1, 2008 01:51
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where the fuck do you know what i have experienced
this is the main thing about you that i dont like
you dont have a fukcing clue what i have experienced and pretend to know it so good
you dont have a fucking clue about the reality, this is what you showed in every discussion till now. no clue about kumbha mela and goa gil and no clue about anything actually. just leave me at the end. |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 1, 2008 01:55
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moki
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Posted : Dec 1, 2008 02:03
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i get it without wanting. ok? i am sorry that i came to this fucking forum, dear isratrance junior member, and you will make a nice thing, everyone, if you dont refer to me in any way. i just came to say why i love dark, why i have always seen something dark in trance and this is the fucking all. and if i want, i will start any senseless posts about it. it is not your business either. i will call it dark alone. just enough of the bullshit. dont answer me. dont even refer to me. yes, the worst thing i ever did was to post here goa gil interviews, highko interviews and ocelot interviews in isratrance. what is the meaning of that all, absolutely nothing, i retire. forget my posts, i am not going to parties any more , enough of the bullshit
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 1, 2008 02:08
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And if I want, I will make it my business since you've been posting bollocks for the last few days.
We agree on one thing at least...enough with the bullshit.
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