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moki
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Posted : Nov 29, 2008 19:57
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so much lightttttttt in this post fria, i am embarrassed. i will consider turning to the light side like you:))))))))))))))))))))))) where is the priest to get me out of here now????????????
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Nov 29, 2008 20:07
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You embarrass yourself. Stop threatening to get out and JUST DO IT. Enough of your Dark Music, and Dark Shiva and Dark Kali... Music, Hinduism all of it was created to make people feel good and happy and harmonious... don't contort it to such a ridiculous level.
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Pavel
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Posted : Nov 29, 2008 20:34
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On 2008-11-29 19:44, xrust wrote:
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On 2008-11-28 11:42, Pavel wrote:
This topic makes me wanna have a full blown sex act while playing some 190BPM Dark Psy.
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On 2008-11-28 13:39, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
160-165-170 please
till 2012 we may even develop into 220.
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lets call it a date then,with great potential 
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I prefer masturbating with a chainsaw.
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moki
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Posted : Nov 29, 2008 20:46
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fria another question to help your preach today:
why does kali have to appear as the goddess of war and darkness in her physical appearance at all? if she is the mother of light, why doesnt she appear and tell us how much she loves us all?
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Nov 29, 2008 21:00
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She does not appear as the Goddess of War or Darkness. It is in a misinterpretation of her Image
Goddess Kali Ma is depicted as standing on Shiva who lays beneath Her with white skin (in contrast to Her black or sometimes dark blue skin). Nowhere in the Hindu stories is Kali seen killing anything but demons nor is She associated specifically with the process of human dying like the Hindu god Yama (who really is the god of death). It is partly correct to say the Goddess Kali Ma is a goddess of death but She brings the death of the ego as the illusory self-centered view of reality. Goddess Kali Ma comes from the Sanskrit root word Kal which means time. There is nothing that escapes the all-consuming march of time. It is true that both Goddess Kali Ma and Shiva are said to inhabit cremation grounds and devotees often go to these places to meditate. Mother Kali Ma is the most misunderstood of the Hindu goddesses. The Encyclopedia Britannica is grossly mistaken in the following quote, "Major Hindu goddess whose iconography, cult, and mythology commonly associate her with death, sexuality, violence, and, paradoxically in some of her later historical appearances, motherly love." Goddess Kali Ma is the goddess of enlightenment or liberation. Shiva and Kali are said to inhabit these places because it is our attachment to the body that gives rise to the ego. Shiva and Kali grant liberation by removing the illusion of the ego. Ma Kali wears a garland of skulls and a skirt of dismembered arms because the ego arises out of identification with the body. This is not to worship death but rather it is to overcome the I-am-the-body idea by reinforcing the awareness that the body is a temporary condition. The garland and skirt are trophies worn by Her to symbolize having liberated Her children from attachment to the limited body. Thus we are the eternal I AM and not the body. This is underscored by the scene of the cremation grounds. Liberation can only proceed when our attachment to the body ends. As the story goes, this represents a great battle in which she destroyed the demon Raktabija. In truth we are beings of spirit and not flesh. He has a blissful detached look. Shiva represents pure formless awareness sat-chit-ananda (being-consciousness-bliss) while She represents "form" eternally supported by the substratum of pure awareness. In Tibetan Buddhism Her counterpart is male with the name Kala. Her black skin represents the womb of the quantum unmanifest from which all of creation arises and into which all of creation will eventually dissolve.
Out of all the Devi forms, Kali is the most compassionate because She provides moksha or liberation to Her children. She is the counterpart of Shiva. They are the destroyers of unreality. When the ego sees Mother Kali it trembles with fear because the ego sees in Her its own eventual demise. An individual who is attached to his/her ego will not be able to receive the vision of Mother Kali and She will appear in a fear invoking or "wrathful" form. A mature soul who engages in spiritual practice to remove the illusion of the ego sees Mother Kali as very sweet, affectionate, and overflowing with incomprehensible love for Her children.
Every Hindu who worships Kali does not see her as A death Bring Goddess of War. It is a misinterpretation of those in the west who are used to seeing Good in a favourable image.. with halos and light and all such stuff.
Through ignorance of the story behind Goddess Kali Ma it is easy to misinterpret Her symbolism. In the same way one could say that Christianity is a religion of destruction, death, and cannibalism in which the followers drink the eat the flesh of Jesus and drink his blood. Of course, we know this is not the correct way to understand the communion sacrament.
Associating sexuality to Mother Kali is not founded in the traditional understanding of Her. In the Hindu stories, there is nothing that associates Her with sexuality. It is just the opposite. Kali is one of the few Goddesses who is celibate and practicing renunciation!
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moki
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Posted : Nov 29, 2008 21:24
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The Encyclopedia Britannica is grossly mistaken in the following quote, "Major Hindu goddess whose iconography, cult, and mythology commonly associate her with death, sexuality, violence, and, paradoxically in some of her later historical appearances, motherly love.
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Well. i cannot judge if our encyclopedias and books are wrong or not ( and i hope you understand that these are the main texts where we get our knowledge about it) but even if you forget the encyclopedias and just concentrate on the images, you see more than enough. She appears first of all as a Goddess with Skulls, killing the ignorance. She could appear as the one and only light, but she doesnt. Sorry but even after your next preach i dont see the point that there is nothing dark connected to her. And btw you said yourself in the last page that she is considered a Goddess of wars and so on, so i just grasp your own words. YOu just cant impress me with the text above, cause it is just making my statement stronger, that she HAS TO APPEAR as that. About sexuality, again i keep to our western interpretations, but you see there are some theories in the western Hindu literature, that she is sucking off the ignorance ot the skulled men. I dont wanna go into this subject cause it is a subtle and gentle one, but anyway the fact is only one : she has a dark appeal to me. MAY BE it is cultural, you know, maybe we are all very preconditioned with our cultures, but she seems to me a dark appearance even if the goal oof all everything is to destroy ignorance.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 29, 2008 21:46
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Nov 29, 2008 21:52
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In Hinduism we do not need a positive image to reflect a positive goal. That is why eastern religions are known as DUALISTIC. after such a thorough breakdown of what Kali represents, and you still don't get it.....I cannot help you save say, stay away from that which you do not UNDERSTAND. I meant Shiva and Kali are warriors who fight against DARKNESS, to bring liberation and revelation. If you are reading the Britannica encyclopedia for information on Hinduism and then presume that you are right and use 4 different topics to insist on how knowledgeable you are on a subject you apparently and obviously have no grasp offf...learn to let go at some point. The reason I am persisting is because I know about this, I grew up in this atmosphere and I am so tired of the West mimicking and using it in such a distorted manner. She "APPEARS" scary, but that's the whole point, we need to look beyond the appearance. She appears Scary as she is warding of the evil spirits and all negative traits. She Appears scary so that only the true seekers will GRASP THE CONCEPT.
WESTERN HINDU LITERATURE?? what the hell is that?? another misinterpretation of an Eastern Religion??
And if you are preconditioned by your own culture, kindly stick to it and stop confusing mine.
OH I need to add...she does appear as light, as Parvati or Gauri, but in her form as Kali (she has many forms) her sole purpose is destruction of the EGO, and hence the terrifying imagery. Your western interpretations are completely Wrong. Do not use such interpretations as a basis for your many arguments. **************************************
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moki
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Posted : Nov 29, 2008 22:25
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it is just boring. nothing to add. may be you also try to fucking look beyond the term dark psy and grasp the concept. it is also something that just appears as that but is something more beyond. it is just the appearance. we dont believe in darknes the way you think.
i was in a few temples of kali in india but it didnt even slightly contradict what our western interpretations are. dont wanna argue cause i have more important things in life, but i stay by that, i fully support dark psy. if you dont, then it is your problem, and this last post of you has again quite unpleasant vibration.
it appears scary and this is all i have to say. that is why we call it dark. and i hope we will call it like that in future too. cause you have no other way to fight the demons. by the was i am not a follower of kali, i like durga much more. much more scary.
colin, what the hell do you want here at all?
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 29, 2008 22:39
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moki
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Posted : Nov 29, 2008 22:59
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then please give also the link where you take it from. the goa gil discussion where it all began. give the links to the stories about india and kumbha mela, so that it is clear, i think i have seen a thing or two more than whats written in the books. i am jst trying to be fucking polite in isratrance which is not an easy thing.
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Krod20
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Posted : Nov 29, 2008 23:14
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Going back to the subject what comes into ones mind when you hear names like "Kannibal holocust or Kannibal BBQ" somehow psychedelic doesnt come to mind right? Well at least for me, and personally I dont know the quality of music from this artist so dont take comment out of context please. But the point being how can you not related Dark or Evil and trance together?
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moki
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 00:08
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to my mind comes the apocalypsis approach of paco raban, a visionary ( and a designer) that wrote quite interesting things about cannibals which is something that could actually happen to us if our food supplies end or if the system collapses fully. to my mind comes the idea that energy vampires are everywhere yround us, we try to consume each other and each others energy and then we are cannibals on a spiritual level. face it. where is the love you are all talking about. well i didnt see it till now in this trance forum at least. i see cannibals.
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moki
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 03:06
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aaa and btw check this one: http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/csr/csr1cd002.html
it is not even labeled as dark ( by the label or by the distributor, one of them definitely didnt like to offense the PLUR-consciousness of the buying crowd but anyway, check it out and if it has nothing to do with trance for you, please tell me. )
It is just so fucking boring to say that the dark side is something bad. we must all feel so bad about calling it dark. we are doomed to go to hell for calling it dark. it is just so ridiculous, i cant express. especially this page, really pay attention to everything here. someone is writing 20 sentence about a goddess walking with skulls of dead men, or a destroying god, and then at the end states that it has nothing to do with DARK. this is so fucking ridiculous. ii cant express. and what about to shut the fuck up with the whole thing about the light too, i mean, may be you stop pretend to be the bringers of light finally???????????? would be so nice to do that, expecially if the posts are full of hate... where is the fucking light?
there is no bad and good trance, there is only thing, the frequence. and it is the only thing that has to do with trance. so simple!!!! it is just so fucking simple.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 30, 2008 03:42
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On 2008-11-30 03:06, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
aaa and btw check this one: http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/csr/csr1cd002.html
it is not even labeled as dark ( by the label or by the distributor, one of them definitely didnt like to offense the PLUR-consciousness of the buying crowd but anyway, check it out and if it has nothing to do with trance for you, please tell me. )
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It sounds like a bad trip. So yes it has something to do with trance, a really bad state of it.
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