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stop calling psy dark
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dE.Tonatik
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Posted : Mar 7, 2007 17:37
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koplya
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Posted : Mar 8, 2007 23:31
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Very fascinating topic.
I found here a lot of interesting opinions. I also share some of them. Mostly I agree with Ocelot. Dark is the only music with scary-screamy sounds and howling pads. Psychedelic music is the music that guides your psy-trip and this music can be so various. Psy-trip consists of a several parts, and some of these parts can include dark feelings. That’s why it’s not right to call all psy-music dark.
Music is very important component of psy-trip and music directs the trip and manipulates it. Stanislaw Groff, the psychiatrist who worked with lsd, described o lot about music influence on the human during the trip. It’s very delicated thing, and even any word saying in track can have a very strong effect on human condition. That’s why the truly psychedelic experience should be provided only by the djs/artists who know the psychedelic condition very well, and they also should bear the responsibility for the people on the danceflore. Night psychedelic music is more charged and powerful than day psy music, because it should replace the lack of images during the dark period, but it doesn’t mean that it should always include sounds from horror movies and should be called dark.
As well as I agree that the truly meaning of psychedelic music and psychedelic parties was changed. It started as a spiritual and mystical events. Only for advanced ppl who was looking for such deep experience. Now it’s more about to have fun and drugs. The scene becoming more and more commercial and more ppl come to trance without understanding it. It’s difficult to say who changed it, but mostly the people who sell drugs and involving more people, they are unconditionally interested in it. Same shit happened to GOA, the holy place for trancers and russians have a hand on it. And it’s so great that guys like Metaforce are still exist and doing their great cause. Big respect to them!!!
And I like a lot that Ocelot started this topic, your opinion is also interesting because you are the guy who creating psychedelic music and know about it from all points of view. I like your music, especially dreamselector, and now I see your point, that I also like. Don’t take so hard about becoming psy more commercial, anyhow the people who looking for truly experience will get it anyway. And it doesn’t matter how to classify the music if it is good one.
BooM!
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BAPHOMET_ENGINE
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Posted : Mar 21, 2007 01:14
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On 2007-02-21 19:40, -aeon- wrote:
genre divisions exist as descriptive terminology; they're a short-hand for people to describe music.
by all means criticise what you see as mindless classification without any basis in technicality. but i believe it undermines your argument somewhat if you insist on calling everything full-on (aaargh! damn genres!  ) 'rave cheese', or attempting to define what is or isn't 'genuinely psychedelic'...
a lot of interesting points have been raised: how do we go about describing something as personal, as individual as our experience of music? what use is the term 'progressive' in anything other than its purely descriptive form? how should we go about classifying music - because let's face it, humans like putting things in boxes (it makes it easier to find them ) - when such a vast mass of styles, sounds and atmospheres exist within fairly disparate 'genres'?
there have been a number of fascinating posts in this thread - particularly those about perception. what constitutes 'psychedelia'? well, whatever you think is psychedelic.
we're trapped deep in the prism of subjectivity here... and there is no escape for even the most determined empiricist because our personal experiences and tastes dictate what is and is not psychedelic - not a word, a sound, a tempo, a frequency, an artwork, a synthesiser...
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We agree with you man.. 
Also we agree with some Ocelot´s words... its very interisted point... We are also tired of everyone specially in Brazil calling dark.. dark.. dark.. dark.. without know the real concept of several projects.
Psychedelic Trance music must be Psychedelic and after it we can surf on several parts to get influence to produce...
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"Psy-trip consists of a several parts, and some of these parts can include darkfeelings. That’s why it’s not right to call all psy-music dark"
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Thats the point... 
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acika
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Posted : Mar 21, 2007 09:08
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yeah,but its not meant to be called PSYCHEDELIC TRANCE music.PSYCHEDELIC is very powrful word and it is not suposed to be ruined by some lowER quality production.Its not bad at all,but it isnt TOP Q you know...
Simply.Try to make music and you will see:Is it harder to make music with good vibes,positive or this "other one" that you making max 1h per day.(that is my case,maybe not yours cheers
Ocelot,i liked some of your work on some partys are very good but its not my favorite one... |
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soulfood
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Posted : Mar 21, 2007 14:38
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On 2007-03-21 09:08, acika wrote:
Simply.Try to make music and you will see:Is it harder to make music with good vibes,positive or this "other one" that you making max 1h per day.(that is my case,maybe not yours cheers
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I actually think it's much easier to make music with good vibes. You learn a bit about harmony and then you can reel off uplifting melodies like no one's business. We are presented with good vibe music pretty much from the day we are born and any musician worth half his salt knows how to milk that. But to truly make psychedelic trance it takes a much deeper understanding of what you are trying to do. And yes, monotonic basslines with a sawtooth wave with hi pass tweaking is not creative, but just listen to derango for example. Truly inteligant interlaced textures and tones which really interact with your mind in new ways. I love the way they quite often mix it up with their kicks aswell.
I just don't hear that level of creativity in the more uplifting side of the genre, although I do enjoy it and don't get me wrong, I couldn't listen to derango 24/7 but I believe all music has its place . I just get a little tired of people denying talent just because they don't understand the artform.
Do I like jazz? Not really, as I find it hard to follow. Do I respect jazz musicians? Like you wouldn't believe! |
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cuich
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Posted : Mar 21, 2007 14:40
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soulfood
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Posted : Mar 21, 2007 14:44
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On 2007-03-21 14:40, cuich wrote:
bolox
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Deep man... Well deep |
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cuich
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Posted : Mar 21, 2007 17:39
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bolox starts here:
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Simply.Try to make music and you will see:Is it harder to make music with good vibes,positive or this "other one" that you making max 1h per day.(that is my case,maybe not yours cheers
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ban?
reason?
for good
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acika
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Posted : Mar 23, 2007 13:57
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On 2007-03-21 14:38, soulfood wrote:
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On 2007-03-21 09:08, acika wrote:
Simply.Try to make music and you will see:Is it harder to make music with good vibes,positive or this "other one" that you making max 1h per day.(that is my case,maybe not yours cheers
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I actually think it's much easier to make music with good vibes. You learn a bit about harmony and then you can reel off uplifting melodies like no one's business. We are presented with good vibe music pretty much from the day we are born and any musician worth half his salt knows how to milk that. But to truly make psychedelic trance it takes a much deeper understanding of what you are trying to do. And yes, monotonic basslines with a sawtooth wave with hi pass tweaking is not creative, but just listen to derango for example. Truly inteligant interlaced textures and tones which really interact with your mind in new ways. I love the way they quite often mix it up with their kicks aswell.
I just don't hear that level of creativity in the more uplifting side of the genre, although I do enjoy it and don't get me wrong, I couldn't listen to derango 24/7 but I believe all music has its place . I just get a little tired of people denying talent just because they don't understand the artform.
Do I like jazz? Not really, as I find it hard to follow. Do I respect jazz musicians? Like you wouldn't believe!
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i am first who listen good bassline when song start but if there is no "some other dimension in that song" its get booring.i was telling you about random noise stuff.if some artist have music all the same all f*cking the same thats not good.in difrent songs must be difrent rhythm bassline difrent feelings.we all like to experiment and you will se all this artist for several year how will they change.like in the past. dont think i dont understand that music i wasnt started with bizzare or skazi i didnt know pretty well for they work when i was listening rinkadink(rabbit from darkside a MASTERPIECE!!!),azax,kindzadza,broken toy..
p.s. i cant expres myself beacuse my limited english font  but i think you got the basics! |
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rich
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Posted : Mar 23, 2007 19:53
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I think your English is brilliant acika and your message comes in loud and clear.
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AbsolutZero(D.V.M.)
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Posted : Mar 26, 2007 16:16
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Astral699
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Posted : Mar 26, 2007 19:50
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On 2007-01-22 03:23, ocelot wrote:
hey
please stop calling all psychedelic trance music "dark"
if its not house music
or old-school-goa
or rave-anthem cheese ahem full-on
(since when did that become a style not an adjective? oh sorry since GMS invented the genre that entire industries are built on today with two seminal albums- "no rules" and "gms vs systembusters"...oh absolum and talamasca helped with that curvy bassline i would say- but HOmmega was still making Old-School-Goa mind you- which was actually pretty good until about FullOnAudio Vol4)
i object to the use of the term "dark" for anything but gothic stuff with screams and horror sounds...while there is much of this to be sure- this is hardly the term i would use for the vast majority of psytrance that is not house or rave-cheese or old-school-goa...
btw there are actually some interesting new progressive sounds that i would have to say give actual meaning to the word progressive and as such- since the word means absolutely nothing anymore- we have to think of a new word... futuristic? forward-moving trance?
hmmmm
and we need another category for artists and music that defy all the BULLSHIT boxes and just make good music that flows seamlessly between worlds and floats across genres like they are NOTHING!
which in fact, THEY ARE!!!! nothing.
but mental boxes invented by highly uncreative people with sticks up their ass.
so much so that one or two will probably contradict me. you just watch
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Why stop ?
Dark is dark, and that's it.
Categorizing is good in my opinion.
For example Vertigo Records releases suits in 100% to darkpsy term. You say it's psychedelic trance ? I honestly doubt!
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soulfood
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Posted : Mar 27, 2007 23:46
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Vertigo what?
Psykovsky isn't dark! It just seems that way because people whose brains can't comprehend it crap their pants at the first sign of something complex  |
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mudpeople
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Posted : Mar 28, 2007 02:32
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People who avoid Dark because its Dark evil scary Devil music really ought to have tried listening to it with an open mind.
Or you know, actually listen to it. Before judging it.
Vertigo dark? O.o How?
"everyone is calling it crap trance"
Good. Id hate to be on a damned bandwagon. If 'everyone' hates it, well, I probably like it. You go be cool with your 'dark' hating (FEARING) friends, jsut remember who's going along with the crowd here.
Psychedelic is what is psychedelic to ME. No one can see the color green that I see, just as NO ONE can tell me what is and isn't psychedelic, but me.
If you like to do what you're told, and go along with what your 'cool' buddies like, then have fun being a sheep. BAAA!!!!
But just because you can't understand it, and feel frustrated because of that, is no reason why others should be deprived of enjoying what they happen to enjoy!!!
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coSmiIic r080t0n3
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Posted : Mar 28, 2007 16:14
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Probably/definately one of the best things to happen to the dark psy community It's bringing everyone together and is introducing more people to it.
I remember searching for some psy trance that was 'actually' psycedelic but didn't really know what to search for. I got into progressive because it was the closest thing I could find. Most of it was all melodic trancey stuff.
When I was introduced to isra I was over the moon
Thank you!
i better go now *meditate* clean my mind and fill it with colourful thaughts, by listening to chilledout couourful music ....
Peace......
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It's time to move on to the next step in the psychedelic revolution. We've reached a certain point, but we're not moving any more.
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