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stop calling psy dark
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MoWGLi
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Posted : Feb 21, 2007 18:22
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Ocelot thanks for opening this discussion. It's thanks to you my eyes have opened. I attended a party with Kindzadza last week. I like all kinds of psy, but I didn't have much connection with the so called "dark psychedelic trance". On this party I realized, with this thread in the back of my head, that stuff like what was played in Kindzadza's DJ set, doesn't sound dark to me. I can understand why people called it dark in the first place, but this doesn't give the music the credit it deserves. Kindzadza's set was unbelievable, this to me is pure psychedelic trance anno 2007! I was so amazed! This is where the real underground lies at this moment, at least in Belgium to me. Now that I don't classify this kind of music under dark, it sounds totally different to me, pure fresh psychedelic trance!
ps: Detox, keep it positive dude!
Thanks Ocelot! |
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-aeon-
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Posted : Feb 21, 2007 19:40
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genre divisions exist as descriptive terminology; they're a short-hand for people to describe music.
by all means criticise what you see as mindless classification without any basis in technicality. but i believe it undermines your argument somewhat if you insist on calling everything full-on (aaargh! damn genres!  ) 'rave cheese', or attempting to define what is or isn't 'genuinely psychedelic'...
a lot of interesting points have been raised: how do we go about describing something as personal, as individual as our experience of music? what use is the term 'progressive' in anything other than its purely descriptive form? how should we go about classifying music - because let's face it, humans like putting things in boxes (it makes it easier to find them ) - when such a vast mass of styles, sounds and atmospheres exist within fairly disparate 'genres'?
there have been a number of fascinating posts in this thread - particularly those about perception. what constitutes 'psychedelia'? well, whatever you think is psychedelic.
we're trapped deep in the prism of subjectivity here... and there is no escape for even the most determined empiricist because our personal experiences and tastes dictate what is and is not psychedelic - not a word, a sound, a tempo, a frequency, an artwork, a synthesiser...
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-aeon-
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Posted : Feb 21, 2007 20:12
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also - just wanted to say apologies if i'm merely rehashing thoughts which have already been expressed in this thread, or tackling arguments which have already been dealt with... i didn't make it all the way through the thread!
*promises he will read more before posting in future*
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ocelot
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Posted : Feb 22, 2007 00:02
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On 2007-02-19 08:18, Magox wrote:
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On 2007-02-19 06:31, ocelot wrote:
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On 2007-02-18 16:22, Magox wrote:
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On 2007-02-16 20:26, ocelot wrote:
please try to pay attention so i dont have to keep posting the same damn thing again and again...
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no need to take it personal, everyone has their own opinions.
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??????? huh?????
listen to me please it will make sense if you actually listen
there are dark tracks- go ahead and call them dark. (whether or not someone calls their track "horror kill scream" is unrelated to the content of the track but this suggests yes- the artist wants it to be seen as dark)
there is an entire body of "other" trance that is mislabelled as dark. this covers a wide range of tracks that follow none of the cliche formulas (aka dark, fullon, prog, etc...) and dont really need a blanket term due to their diversity.
i guess this boils down to a new topic which i will start soon- called "we so called openmindedpeople are awfully narrow minded sometimes"
or maybe its the level of intellectual discourse on isratrnce forum.
or maybe its just me...
how foolish of me to push for opening the mind...
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i dont disagree with what you are trying to communicate. Just in the matter of how your doing it.
there is no need to post the same "damn" thing again and again or have feelings of exasperation over things that you cannot control. Sometimes when i read your posts, i have noted on many occasions that you talk down to many people as if you are superior. There is definitely a sense of elitism with the way you write your pompous written orations.
if you would of read or "actually listened" to what i wrote, you will see that i agreed with your assertion of the mislabeling of "dark" too often.
But, since there is no absolute or unequivical way of "correctly" labeling psychedelic music, you are just going to find yourself becoming more discouraged and "exasperated" as you stated....over things that you have no control over.
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hey i wasnt talking to you.
i was talking to the people who keep saying
"yo why is this guy saying dark trance is not dark"
and i dont think being frustrated is pompous.
i use words generally pretty precisely for what i intend to and im sorry if you dont like that.
but yeah i get exasperated and impatient sometimes. dont take it personally as you say |
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ocelot
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Posted : Feb 22, 2007 00:08
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On 2007-02-20 02:23, mr_sparx wrote:
ill stop calling nightime psy dark if you stop calling full on cheese
m'kay
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all music that someone ever called fullon is not cheese. i think astrix is cheesy as fuck and i dont mind to say so...
i rather some music that other people call fullon... like AstroSchnauzer, or Chromatone, or Error Corrective or believe it or not the originals of the originals GMS...(not so much their ibiza stuff but the no rules album and the vs systembusters stuff...)
i dislike all the cutesy pants formula follow the arrow music in most genres because it sounds like the computer made it not the composer... so what
but when someone called my dreamSelector album dark because ocelot made it i have to laugh. thats retarded... even your grandma would call it fluffy and happy
OK i think i get the point about ummm people wanting categories.
ok then. you cant dump everything thats not prog or fullon into the dark box.
not allowed. not correct.
make some new subdivisions already
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ocelot
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Posted : Feb 22, 2007 00:15
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On 2007-02-21 18:22, MoWGLi wrote:
Ocelot thanks for opening this discussion. It's thanks to you my eyes have opened. I attended a party with Kindzadza last week. I like all kinds of psy, but I didn't have much connection with the so called "dark psychedelic trance". On this party I realized, with this thread in the back of my head, that stuff like what was played in Kindzadza's DJ set, doesn't sound dark to me. I can understand why people called it dark in the first place, but this doesn't give the music the credit it deserves. Kindzadza's set was unbelievable, this to me is pure psychedelic trance anno 2007! I was so amazed! This is where the real underground lies at this moment, at least in Belgium to me. Now that I don't classify this kind of music under dark, it sounds totally different to me, pure fresh psychedelic trance!
ps: Detox, keep it positive dude!
Thanks Ocelot!
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i totally agree- Kindzadza is as dissimilar with BlissargonDemigorgon as Atmos is from Astrix...
sorry cant put them in even the same rough box... need some new cheapo names to misrepresent the new music with |
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rich
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Posted : Feb 22, 2007 00:52
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sorry cant put them in even the same rough box... need some new cheapo names to misrepresent the new music with
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yeah. how about 'psychedelic trance'
Anyway, here's how I've always thought of it, and you touched on it before. Intention. I think you can get a clue, or a place to start where to classify the music just by what the artist intended making the track.
or maybe if artists were a little more conscious of their intentions the music would be a little more genuine.
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dj X.P.
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Posted : Feb 27, 2007 08:39
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to trip_on_acid :Man,I can tell u why (about dark in the day and fullon in the night.
The linguistic root of FULL ON is FULL ( a lot,many ) ON ( as ON ),but the root of DARK is only dark.
So as a term,DARK already mean to be played in the darkness,but FULL ON as a term is multitiming,generally.
One more good point to stop to call it DARK-to be able to say what you have said before:) |
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dj X.P.
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Posted : Feb 27, 2007 08:42
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to Aeon.Nice said,man |
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Fearkiller
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Posted : Feb 27, 2007 23:15
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to many words.... I dont care about genre names, darkpsy,psydark,darkfullon,fullon,craptrance.....
I know my favorite projects style, for me its psychedelic. All other music is for other ppl and i dont worry if somebody would love to name it psychedelic also... And i dont care if me like artist could be in the same tag as other artists with style that i don't think is psychedelic or dark heh... if somebody says that ocelot or fearkiller is fullon artists, ok, i dont care, fuck them all  |
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ProgMoon23
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Posted : Feb 28, 2007 11:41
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Pt.
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Posted : Feb 28, 2007 11:58
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as long as it's psychedelic, you can call it my granma.
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coSmiIic r080t0n3
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Posted : Feb 28, 2007 23:01
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Should we pay attention on how our favourite music is called by many or just ignore it?
Honestly, no! we should'nt care,cuz its only a name!!! In my opinion, If you like it youlike it, If you don't you don't and if you don't care it is probably because you listen to the music rather than killing brain cells over a name that actually is not so important..
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and about the style it brings to the fans(^side down pentagramms, satan bla bla bla etc..), cummon thats silly! why would anyone define himself with a style that someone else thinks suits for a music style?!Childish
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It's time to move on to the next step in the psychedelic revolution. We've reached a certain point, but we're not moving any more.
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dhruv
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Posted : Mar 5, 2007 09:49
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On 2007-01-22 08:45, Pavel wrote:
There are only 2 kinds of music. Music that i like and music that i don't. Pigeonholing is label owners and journalists' business. Sometimes you need a point of reference to describe the music.
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aweesome i totally agree with that all this bullshit of dark music as far as ppsychedelic trance is concerned is crap its cuz of the damn drugs and nothing else .The same so callled dark music if i had made a totally sober peerosn hear eihter they will say yupp its nice or they will say no man its fukin noise they will not get scared by it unless it is some scary spoooky stufff which is def not psytrance then .This whole "dark" thing has become so sad atleats in india tht now even peopple who dont abuse sunstances have started calling it dark music cuz of there frnds whihc sucks.
Its not the music that fries you its the drug the sooneer people undertsand tht the better anyway awesome post
Nothing but music!!!
You do l.s.d i confuse you
We dance slow you dont dance you jog you stupid fool !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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ZenMind
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Posted : Mar 5, 2007 20:42
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Good post this one, another war, another arm wrestling, another pseudo philosofical vomit... This scenne is dying ...sadly...dark, full on, prog, should only have one description "Psytrance", inside psytrance you should have happy, powerfull, mistic, furious, these are feelings not styles!
An artist should write what goes on inside his mind transposing it to music that should be the ideal, but what i see and hear is the search for a style an endless imitation of empty or meaningless tunes THAT IS NOT PSYCADELIC TRANCE. I couldnt care less if a track can be rotulated i care wen they are empty just pure production skills sometimes not even that.
We all talk about story in a track, well to tell a story you must live it, put it to music and you will have a living tune carrying your truth and feelings a true psicadelic trip ... music that diserves to be danced to.
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