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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Feb 8, 2007 06:14
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It used to be called Psychedelic Trance... it was paradise... with good vibes and magic people.
Then the Russian mafia, the death metal fans, and the thugs-in-tiedye took over. "Louder, harder, faster, meaner, angrier!" became the motto.
GAME OVER. |
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coSmiIic r080t0n3
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Posted : Feb 8, 2007 14:50
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It was on my mind for quite a while now.... terminology, labelling, identity , sense of belonging, clans, tribes......
we all part of it whether we like it or not. Our world and civilisation in current shape among other thing is civilisation of labels and IDs --- everything is categorized, labelled and data-stored.
"- ah music is everything - words are nothing!" I hear that often. - yes-yes I agree but unfortunately words are our only tool to express our feelings in conversation with another person.
When you meet someone for the first time and talk about music - you will describe your preferences in words.... and term darkpsy will come up... With uneasy feelings I will say it. It makes all clear.
Darkpsy", seems to me, now is widely used and accepted to describe what I believe is psychedelic trance for me --- all other styles - ARE NOT psychedelic. They maybe used to be but not anymore. GOA, Full on (insert anything else here) -- long passed and no longer vibrate with me.... cannot even call it a trance - (but that is a separate discussion)
Not so distant 2003-2004 years -- Im franticly searching Internet and online shops for the "proper psy trance", GOA and Full On - brings some shity results.... oh c'mon where is that music!! oh yes, finally "Night time psy" -- fetched me quite a few good CDs, "Russian psytrance" - always scores high with "proper" psy trance results, then using artists names and record labels names i eventually building up my CDs collection... later, to my surprise discover that this is actually called darkpsy.... What?!! wtf...
Never even thought of using term "dark" -- for me, there is no connection -- but for majority of people coming into psychedelic trance -- yes this types of aggressive sounds are not easy to accept -- it is something scary -- something that "come out of the dark" -- and then yes , offcourse it is perceived by party organiser to play this music at night time
So term is born, it is catchy and it makes clear what music you are talking about. I do not like it but I use it when everything else fails.
I will not see this music as dark or light (have you every heard of light psy trance, eh?) but
If uplifting, encouraging sounds..( perfectly suitable to do something "shamanic") for someone is a darkpsy - sure, let it be!
so what is psychedelic trance for me? ah.... call it what you want - words are nothing - music is everything!
Respect .
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It's time to move on to the next step in the psychedelic revolution. We've reached a certain point, but we're not moving any more.
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soulfood
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Posted : Feb 8, 2007 17:45
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On 2007-02-08 06:14, BrettFromTibet wrote:
It used to be called Psychedelic Trance... it was paradise... with good vibes and magic people.
Then the Russian mafia, the death metal fans, and the thugs-in-tiedye took over. "Louder, harder, faster, meaner, angrier!" became the motto.
GAME OVER.
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Just goes to show freaky subcultures are made up of only child groups who dont know how to share 
Kidding!
But seriously it's all still there now... there's just more to choose from. You still get all kinds of parties playing all kinds of music. You just have to look hard for them, which makes it much more rewarding when you find it.
It's weird because I like "dark" psy trance but I can never find parties playing it as I love the change from hard dancing to zoney out to alien sounds which only "dark" psy can offer. With "Full-On" I'm more about the beat which is cool but sometimes it reminds me of my hard-house days while "dark psy" sometimes I don't even dance to the beat and just move to the sounds which is pretty unique with up-tempo music.
Hooray for "dark negative evil vibes" because they lift my spirit... funny that, eh? |
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thegooddale
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Posted : Feb 8, 2007 20:01
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I think also that the people in this scene are really full of it for the most part. How many of us really understand how to tap into the spirit world... I thought you used a Ouija board for those kind of things... |
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ocelot
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Posted : Feb 9, 2007 02:36
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On 2007-02-08 06:14, BrettFromTibet wrote:
It used to be called Psychedelic Trance... it was paradise... with good vibes and magic people.
Then the Russian mafia, the death metal fans, and the thugs-in-tiedye took over. "Louder, harder, faster, meaner, angrier!" became the motto.
GAME OVER.
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well there is that stuff for sure...
don't forget the rivet headz too
i guess many were there in the beginning too but they had reformed themselves into fluoro freaks in the first wave of pronoia.
the later waves didn't quite "get" the psy vibes...
but thats no reason to dismiss all new music.
you really need to take it track by track...
i for one dont want to be thrown into a bucket of "dark" psytrance and dismissed as i've devoted the last 13 years of my life to making all kinds of psychedelic music...
some of which you might even call totally fluffy:) even You Brett
and if you ask me the cheesy club thing did just as much to kill the vibe...
plastic shite.
im with you on an interest in music for healing our planet and providing a positive way forward but you need to be a bit more open about accepting really deep subtle melodies that aren't so obvious and pop-catchy...
its also about time to bring the green vibes back into psytrance- enough of this city vibes.... time for our species to wake up or we are all dead. i prefer we wake up and make a positive future of sustainable living.
that will take sacrificing the couch-potato reality and some real leadership on the green industry front...
ecotopia now |
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Feb 9, 2007 04:44
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I donīt know if I got your point right Ocelot, but we do need to label genres and sub-genres. And very clearly. Saw what happened at Boom 06? Thousands of people complaining they expected one thing and got just the opposite? Sure, it was a psy-event but being psy doesnīt mean it all fits together.
Itīs good to have the word DARK to describe that sort of trance, it makes clear what you can expect from a CD, a party or a festival.
Peace and Love. |
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AcidForAll
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Posted : Feb 9, 2007 08:31
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On 2007-02-08 06:14, BrettFromTibet wrote:
It used to be called Psychedelic Trance... it was paradise... with good vibes and magic people.
Then the Russian mafia, the death metal fans, and the thugs-in-tiedye took over. "Louder, harder, faster, meaner, angrier!" became the motto.
GAME OVER.
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omg - can't u stand some serious psychedelic sounds? |
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lokus
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Posted : Feb 9, 2007 09:17
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On 2007-02-09 04:44, goa-ganges wrote:
I donīt know if I got your point right Ocelot, but we do need to label genres and sub-genres. And very clearly. Saw what happened at Boom 06? Thousands of people complaining they expected one thing and got just the opposite? Sure, it was a psy-event but being psy doesnīt mean it all fits together.
Itīs good to have the word DARK to describe that sort of trance, it makes clear what you can expect from a CD, a party or a festival.
Peace and Love.
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this is so true
- last possible solution
- trick music
- ambivalent records
myspace.com/lokuz
ps: y trance?
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OpTiKoOl
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Posted : Feb 9, 2007 21:42
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On 2007-02-08 06:14, BrettFromTibet wrote:
It used to be called Psychedelic Trance... it was paradise... with good vibes and magic people.
Then the Russian mafia, the death metal fans, and the thugs-in-tiedye took over. "Louder, harder, faster, meaner, angrier!" became the motto.
GAME OVER.
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with my experience, 90 % of ppl (that i personally know) that likes dark trance, come from dark metal music! that's a fact (atleast here...)
...all that BrettFromTibet...
harder, meaner, angrier!
bah..
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coSmiIic r080t0n3
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Posted : Feb 9, 2007 22:12
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"dark psy" label that is used for this music. for me this is not a negative term. i like it actually
i've always been atracted to "the dark side" and especially in music. actually this is one of the reasons that i was attracted to this style more than the other psytrance styles. the whole darkness concept gives a certain myst and awe to music and not only. combining the psychedelic vibe, with the "dark" atmosphere and the energetic/adrenalin rush can create a very potent state of ecstacy, or trance. on the contrast the "light" or melodic/morning full on, allthough it can create a pleasent euphoric bliss and happiness, it's not as potent as the full power blasting madness that makes you leave your body and become one with the music and the people around you and makes you forget about everything else. the only problem with this term is that allthough most of the music in this style has a certain level of darkness more or less, not ALL has. for example the compilation "seismic mood" from aura quake records, which has more of a "happy" atmosphere rather than "dark", most people would put it under the label dark, because it's much closer to this style than the others. i think "acid psy" would describe it best for me. but than again there's certain other styles which could also claim this term.
this brings me to the second issue i want to comment (which is more important, i believe)... are labels so important? this is a complicated issue, but i think we just shouldn't bother so much. because of the constant evolution of music, resulting in deviation, thus creating new "styles" or "genres" there is a need to name or label, the new styles for practical purposes. labels spring up either from the music industry, or media, or just from word to word until they are established to some point. but it is difficult (sometimes impossible) to find a perfect name for each style because words are one thing and music is another. we cannot, and should not use words to define the music. labels should be used just for a guideline, a description, not a definition. we only use them to make things easyer for us. if we start debating about them and braking our heads to find the "perfect term" then they just make things more complicated so, there's no point in having them
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mudpeople
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Posted : Feb 10, 2007 03:11
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the problem I see is that there are people who are turned off by the idea of "dark", they equate it with anger and hate and such things. Thats all in their own perception of what "dark" is.
There are styles which get lumped in with dark because there's nothing else really to call them. As Ocelot said it used to just be called Psychedelic Trance. Which is what I think of it as. Ocelot does not make dark music, someone who is turned away by the label dark may enjoy Ocelot, but never have the opportunity because they hear that its "dark" so they avoid it. Whether or not such snap judgements should be made is another issue.
Also, a lot of things that may sound dark on first listen are not really so dark. Im thinking of Yab Yum-Invincible from the comp Peak O Path on Peak recs. It sounds pretty dark and moody on the surface, but once you really get into it its just pure psychedelic, to me.
Its up to each of us to decide for ourselves what we consider to be "dark, angry, metal-psy" and what isn't. But some never give themselves that chance.
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soulfood
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Posted : Feb 10, 2007 03:52
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The way I see it is some people believe that music of an unsettling theme is not good for a party. I guess thats fair play from some points of view, but in my day the people brought the vibes in and the music was the attraction.
When I'm partying with good people nothing can get me down, because I feel safe in my surroundings even when the most fucked up stuff comes screaming out of the speakers in the middle of a fairly intense trip and I'll also enjoy the morning trance when the sun comes up more from it because of the extreme change in themes.
"Dark" psy is just another place to go and a very good tool because far too many night dj's that don't use the deeper side of night trance end up lacking a story and usually at those kinds of parties there isnt much difference between the psy they play at night and what they play in the morning.
If it frightens you that much, find a person you feel safe with and dance through it with them until the fear goes away smiling all through it and you'll find you feel emotions you never thought you could. It can be a pretty profound experience . |
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Feb 10, 2007 06:05
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It doesnīt matter the meaning of DARK. What matters is the energy coming from the speakers. And itīs something that I avoid in rock when I listen to it. And I canīt stay in a trance party when someone plays it. Just simple. Itīs a form of music? yes, it is. But due its own nature, it should played in,you know, separate parties.
Peace and Love. |
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Datakult
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Posted : Feb 10, 2007 07:08
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On 2007-02-10 06:05, goa-ganges wrote:
It doesnīt matter the meaning of DARK. What matters is the energy coming from the speakers. Itīs a form of music? yes, it is. But due its own nature, it should played in,you know, separate parties.
Peace and Love.
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totally agree we should ban this music from our parties
PLUR |
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cuich
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Posted : Feb 10, 2007 08:40
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On 2007-02-10 07:08, Datakult wrote:
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On 2007-02-10 06:05, goa-ganges wrote:
It doesnīt matter the meaning of DARK. What matters is the energy coming from the speakers. Itīs a form of music? yes, it is. But due its own nature, it should played in,you know, separate parties.
Peace and Love.
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totally agree we should ban this music from our parties
PLUR
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ha, you would separate "them", ban them, and what else  . My humble opiniun is, that you are both big assholes, at least untill you delete yours signatures;"Peace and Love" and "PLUR". Heh, fucking hippies, always the ones with higher consciousness 
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