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Posted : Feb 3, 2007 12:12
so, stop it calling dark.
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Posted : Feb 3, 2007 18:25
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I don't know about ocelot's music, dark or light or whatever, but i don't think he is fighting against the fact that HIS music is defined as dark, but more at the fact that Darkpsy should not be called Dark !! it should just be called Dark..
Its as if he's saying chicken should not be called chicken, it should be called food.. and his argument is "well, i don't see a "C" in this food i am eating, so who is to say its "chicken" !!
You know it helps if you actually read what people are saying before you comment on it . We all get lazy at times but you aint making sense.
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Posted : Feb 3, 2007 22:55
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On 2007-02-01 02:37, Aluxe wrote:
I like Jimi Hendrix attitude about his music and what they were calling it. Check out this quote of his:
"Are these all psychedelic? I don't even know what that word means, really."
-Jimi Hendrix
And without reading the whole thread, I think it makes sense to call trance dark when its intended to be dark, you know like the kill-your-mother metal bands that have dark messages and "evil lyrics" along with covers of skulls bleeding with pain, tourture, etc
But just because it lacks melodies and sugar?
this is basically what im saying...
but i dont think all the music thats not astrix lacks melodies or sugar either.
i make lots of songs with melodies. overt obvious melodies that even a moron would get... i dont understand why someone would think every track by every non'mainstream artist is lacking melodies or is dark. this is an example of overgeneralizing... mostly by people who refuse to leave the comfort zone of the known and check out anything new...
i propose the word Alternative Trance for a blanket label for anything not mainstream and commercial sounding...
i like the guys post who suggested Frolic music also... as thats what it is...
also i am grateful for people taking the time to respond to this posting in general...
ocelot
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Posted : Feb 3, 2007 23:12
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On 2007-01-31 21:33, Jester Records wrote:
You can't say that if your music is not happy, that it is not dark.. When we are asked "how are you feeling today", do you often answer stuff like "I'm feeling a little industrial today, with a hint of squeek and a bit bassline" ??
No, you either answer "good" or "bad".. "Happy" or "sad" !! Enough with the grey area's already. you music all sounds the same so why not call it the same? Its not insulting to make darkpsy as long as its good music, right?
You will just have to accept that certain sounds reflect on certain moods.
Just because someone is not happy, it does not make them sad. When I listen to ska punk and have a drink with a few friends I'm happy. When I hear coldplay, I'm sad. When I listen to (ready for my term? ) Deep, night-trance, it's not that I'm miserable but I'm in deep state of concerntration that is neither happy or sad. Kind of more meaningful than the both of them when it's really good.
And Ocelot's only fighting a lost course in the eyes of those who disagree (always gonna be some right?) so... there!
Don't get me wrong though, there is dark trance out there (usually way underground mind!) but to say that Ocelot's music is dark
is bad judgement. You should check out Catatonic despair and Neurotic Poison... Ouch!
I don't know about ocelot's music, dark or light or whatever, but i don't think he is fighting against the fact that HIS music is defined as dark, but more at the fact that Darkpsy should not be called Dark !! it should just be called Dark..
Its as if he's saying chicken should not be called chicken, it should be called food.. and his argument is "well, i don't see a "C" in this food i am eating, so who is to say its "chicken" !!
huh???
man i make lots of kinds of music...
listening to one track of mine from a night time comp is not the way to judge the entire body of my musical work in my 32 years on this earth.
and MY music is not the half of what im talking about here...
are you seriously ignorant enough to lump Neuron Compost with Blissargon Demigorgon?
i could make about 20 other comparisons here where even an uneducated music listener would see obvious total differences...
not all this stuff is 152bpm... some is 136!!!
im talking about strange hybrids of breaks and trance. non-formulaic fullon as well thats really interesting like your own Clone from Ottawa. that guy makes some damn fine trance and its not formula music but you could totally play it at a party where fullon astrix etc is being played...
and since when did octaves of the same note played over and over count as a melody? oh you mean a pitched note! as if...
lets just say there is a wide range of music thats NOT fullon commercial trance.
to dismiss that as all one thing and to call that thing dark seems like foul play...
i propose Alternative Trance if you absolutely need a blanket label for the variety of underground sounds...
some of it is actually psychedelic trance as well...
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Posted : Feb 3, 2007 23:14
*frolics* f*ck yeah!
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Posted : Feb 4, 2007 19:03
the problem with narrow minded categorical thinking is that peoples narrow definitions of categories do not cooincide with each other and that is why we have wars and disputes and issues in humankind in general.
anyone trying to be impartial must set aside prejudices and try to see the actual- however difficult that may be.
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Posted : Feb 5, 2007 00:46
I absolutely agree with aaron in this topic
ppl with narrow minds put the music of some really talented musicians (or programmers if u like )like ocelot or ka-sol or whatever in the same cart with everyones malakies as we say here in greece
stop calling it darktrance and call it psytrance
enough
dark sux
psytrance rules
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Posted : Feb 7, 2007 08:03
Funny thing that I posted the same (mostly ) trade more than a year ago.
Very funny to read this trade now
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Posted : Feb 7, 2007 21:23
some fuckn hard core long ass posts .
call it wat u want, every one has the right to say watever they want.
everyone be happy, then maybe threads wont get so long and painful to read lol....
(just my 2pennies )
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Posted : Feb 7, 2007 21:25
welcome 'BiaGil' to the israeli pot politix psy trance community
have fun reading thru.....hehe
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Posted : Feb 7, 2007 21:59
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On 2007-02-05 00:46, FaithNoMore wrote:
dark sux
psytrance rules
Imp's and Goblin's are way cooler than Angel's and Fairie's(unless they are super-evil fairies) IMO...
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Posted : Feb 8, 2007 00:13
dark is when u hve videos depicting bloodshed horror and shit !! Cradle of filth is dark !!!
Most of new age psy trance thay is being termed dark is happy music ... Im sorry if u feel Darkness in it !! its mostly the emptiness in ur heads that make u dark within !!!
Dude gimme a break !! This is the most complex form of music mankind has ever seen , please respect it by not genre - ising it !! ITs one big VIBE !!!
Keep it that ways .
Just my 2 paise !!
Music is music is music !! If u like good music u will like dark mornng night full on watever .. if its good .
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Posted : Feb 8, 2007 00:43
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On 2007-02-08 00:13, aXis wrote:
dark is when u hve videos depicting bloodshed horror and shit !! Cradle of filth is dark !!!
Cradle of Filth is a shitty joke...
This is dark...
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Posted : Feb 8, 2007 02:55
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On 2007-02-08 00:13, aXis wrote:
dark is when u hve videos depicting bloodshed horror and shit !! Cradle of filth is dark !!!
Most of new age psy trance thay is being termed dark is happy music ... Im sorry if u feel Darkness in it !! its mostly the emptiness in ur heads that make u dark within !!!
Dude gimme a break !! This is the most complex form of music mankind has ever seen , please respect it by not genre - ising it !! ITs one big VIBE !!!
Keep it that ways .
Just my 2 paise !!
Music is music is music !! If u like good music u will like dark mornng night full on watever .. if its good .
It's so true! I mean most mistress of evil tracks are the jolliest bounciest 'avin it tunes that are out there! Proper 'avin it!
Cradle of filth are also quite humouress and at times very interesting complex music with nice contrasts.
Ackercoke is dark . I bought their Choronzon album and was listening to it for the 1st time on a train and it had some girl being sacrificed at this satanic ceremony with lots of splotching sounds... that dark. Seriously I was very uncomfortable.
. We all get lazy at times but you aint making sense. 
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