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Outolintu
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Posted : Sep 11, 2006 20:02

ok. serious post no.2:

the guy pavel was talking about meant goa-trance, obviously! he wants to get that vibe back from those days (and i can't blame him for that). but: even goa trance wont work on kids full of hard drugs or on old sarcastic disillusioned wankers like the peeps who answered (or started) this topic (sadly incl. myself)
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Aluxe
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Posted : Sep 11, 2006 22:47
I like spirituality behind the music, and not that I know everything said about spirituality is true or not, but at least I like the essence of how the word is generally used by hippy minded folks.

But like Jimi Hendrix said about love: “You don't have to be singing about love all the time in order to give love to the people. You don't have to keep flashing those words all the time.” I think it’s the same with spirituality. I personally rather connect not through those words being bombarded and advertised to you but through the feeling and vibes underneath, through the reality beyond the tags and names that just numb your brian into a stale definition devoid of the freshness of truth.
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Posted : Sep 12, 2006 00:28
Quote:

On 2006-09-11 19:20, Psycosmo wrote:
It is the rejection of the spiritual aspects that the new kids have that is killing it.

Im sick of all these people that come in and think they're all smart and crap, as if being anti-spiritual was some grand, clever new idea. Actually all they accomplished was the start bringing us down the the level of the rest of the world.

I wish these people would just go back wherever the hell they came from and leave us spritual goa hippies to have our spiritual goa hippie scene.




Now that was spiritual and openminded!
Bravo

What do u have against kids? Do you have any by yourself? I sure hope my kid will be a part of this scene sooner or later. without the kids this scene would have been dead long time ago! Its the hippies who are the problems i guess, to damn fucking stoned to raise the kids in a good way!

The kids are our future!!! Think about it
Psycosmo
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Posted : Sep 12, 2006 00:54
Just cuz Im spiritual doesnt mean I have to be openminded.

And I ain't got nothin' against kids, i got somethin against people who come in because it's gotten mainstream enough and then wanna gut the scene of the stuff that made it good enough to get big enough for them to find out about.
Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Sep 12, 2006 01:46
Yes spirituality is being lost because lots of newcomers have never experienced Trance they just think about making music for money and women and some kind of success i think. It's a pity but it's also reality there is no music which gives a spiritual feeling except the Chillout right now...but is still long for the dancefloor deep inside of me....
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Sep 12, 2006 02:02
I take back the part about it having anything to do with people being new, it doesnt matter when the hell you got involved.

People act like it's so silly to connect music and spirituality.

But the concept of "sacred music is old and widespread, it is not without precedent. Im sorry but it annoys the hell out of me when unstudied people come and start speaking disrespectfully about things they know absolutely nothing about.

Admittedly, Goa style was often naive hippie like spirituality, but the rejections of people like Pavel are just as Naive.

Where we should be going is becoming more educated about the peoples that we took our ideas from and working on being more evolved and well thought out in terms of appropriating ideas from other cultures/
Krell
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Posted : Sep 12, 2006 03:06
Quote:

On 2006-09-11 14:33, Pavel wrote:
Ok so i saw on Psynews some goa freak opens a new label and wants to release "spiritual, melodic goa music".
Ok, so i open Cubase and some plugs. How exactly do i make a spiritial track? What do i smoke and what kind of LSD should i drink to make a spiritual track?




I dont see any sound in particular being able to represent spirituality for everyone. Spiritual Trance, in its stereotypical/cliche form must be said to be music including obvious statements of spirituality, for instance through religion.

But - I would say it should go deeper and touch something more distinct to the person listening to it. After all, spirituality takes part inside of you first of all.

On Wikipedia, I looked up some words about "Spirituality"

"Spirituality, in a narrow sense, concerns itself with matters of the spirit. The spiritual, involving as it may perceived eternal verities regarding Man's ultimate nature, often contrasts with the temporal or with the worldly. The central defining characteristic of spirituality is a sense of connection to a much greater whole which includes an emotional experience of religious awe and reverence. Equally so, spirituality is concerned with sanity and psychological health. As with some forms of religion, the emphasis of spirituality is often on personal experience. It may be an expression for life perceived as higher, more complex or more integrated with one's worldview, as contrasted with the merely sensual. In Eastern traditions, spirituality (adhyatma) is also defined as that which pertains to the soul (atma)."

I think, spirituality in music is best described as connecting with something instinctive inside ourselves, following the groove, acting on the music and entering trance states or altered states of consiousness through music - alone by following our intuition / spirit.
This becomes spiritual when it goes beyond the pure music, and becomes a wider picture or as they write connects us with "a greater whole".

But really, isnt most of the stuff we listen to spiritual then ? Most of the stuff I prefer is.

Certainly I dont see any old school melodic goa trance being anymore "spiritual" to me than some good deep trance.

Spirituality, marketed as a product sounds foul to me. Its something which belongs to the individual, and cannot and should not be spoon fed into them through brands. "This is spirituality, EAT IT!".

Hope this makes sense - I get it, your trying to mock this spirituality thing, or perhaps you just want to mock the branding of it

Spiritual music exists, what it is, is up to the individual to appreciate...

The spirit of our scene was born out of our own spirituality - I think that much is true.

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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 12, 2006 03:45
As far as 'psytrance' is concerned, spirituality is about the intent with which you do what you do.

All else is bullshit.
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Sep 12, 2006 04:01
hmm i'd say intent is 50% and competence is the other 50%. Without regard to psytrance but with regard to spirituality I have learned that the hard way, that intentions aren't everything.
piXan
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Posted : Sep 12, 2006 04:52
Quote:

On 2006-09-12 00:54, Psycosmo wrote:
Just cuz Im spiritual doesnt mean I have to be openminded.





what??????????????????????'????'
i dont know what ur definition of spirituality is, but im quite sure if u were spiritual at some lesser degree, one of the first manifestations of it would be the ability to let go of ur ego. clearly this is not the case. in fact i find it stupid that most people relate spirituality to clitches like oriental chants and samples, shiva imagery, lsd and other shit that are just common places in psy.
spirituality can be expressed in infinite ways, so dont come me with that crap. Want a real definition on spirituality?????
not the cheap crap mentioned. theres so much crap in this thread that makes me want to throw up. though u people were smarter than this!           www.soundcloud.com/elektroakustica/sets/downtempo/
piXan
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Posted : Sep 12, 2006 04:54
Quote:

On 2006-09-11 22:47, Aluxe wrote:
I like spirituality behind the music, and not that I know everything said about spirituality is true or not, but at least I like the essence of how the word is generally used by hippy minded folks.

But like Jimi Hendrix said about love: “You don't have to be singing about love all the time in order to give love to the people. You don't have to keep flashing those words all the time.” I think it’s the same with spirituality. I personally rather connect not through those words being bombarded and advertised to you but through the feeling and vibes underneath, through the reality beyond the tags and names that just numb your brian into a stale definition devoid of the freshness of truth.



man you are so right on this. see beyond the obvious.
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piXan
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Posted : Sep 12, 2006 05:01
Quote:

On 2006-09-12 03:06, Krell wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-09-11 14:33, Pavel wrote:
Ok so i saw on Psynews some goa freak opens a new label and wants to release "spiritual, melodic goa music".
Ok, so i open Cubase and some plugs. How exactly do i make a spiritial track? What do i smoke and what kind of LSD should i drink to make a spiritual track?




I dont see any sound in particular being able to represent spirituality for everyone. Spiritual Trance, in its stereotypical/cliche form must be said to be music including obvious statements of spirituality, for instance through religion.

But - I would say it should go deeper and touch something more distinct to the person listening to it. After all, spirituality takes part inside of you first of all.

On Wikipedia, I looked up some words about "Spirituality"

"Spirituality, in a narrow sense, concerns itself with matters of the spirit. The spiritual, involving as it may perceived eternal verities regarding Man's ultimate nature, often contrasts with the temporal or with the worldly. The central defining characteristic of spirituality is a sense of connection to a much greater whole which includes an emotional experience of religious awe and reverence. Equally so, spirituality is concerned with sanity and psychological health. As with some forms of religion, the emphasis of spirituality is often on personal experience. It may be an expression for life perceived as higher, more complex or more integrated with one's worldview, as contrasted with the merely sensual. In Eastern traditions, spirituality (adhyatma) is also defined as that which pertains to the soul (atma)."

I think, spirituality in music is best described as connecting with something instinctive inside ourselves, following the groove, acting on the music and entering trance states or altered states of consiousness through music - alone by following our intuition / spirit.
This becomes spiritual when it goes beyond the pure music, and becomes a wider picture or as they write connects us with "a greater whole".

But really, isnt most of the stuff we listen to spiritual then ? Most of the stuff I prefer is.

Certainly I dont see any old school melodic goa trance being anymore "spiritual" to me than some good deep trance.

Spirituality, marketed as a product sounds foul to me. Its something which belongs to the individual, and cannot and should not be spoon fed into them through brands. "This is spirituality, EAT IT!".

Hope this makes sense - I get it, your trying to mock this spirituality thing, or perhaps you just want to mock the branding of it

Spiritual music exists, what it is, is up to the individual to appreciate...

The spirit of our scene was born out of our own spirituality - I think that much is true.

- Krell




had not read ur post, i u said it all. its sad some people here have a very stereotypical notion of spirituality and as u say it can be expressed in infinite ways.           www.soundcloud.com/elektroakustica/sets/downtempo/
piXan
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Posted : Sep 12, 2006 05:07
so sad ... spiritual bla bla bla!???
what tfk you mean by that?
spirituality is nonsense????
i expect an answer!           www.soundcloud.com/elektroakustica/sets/downtempo/
Psycosmo
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Posted : Sep 12, 2006 06:47
Quote:

On 2006-09-12 04:52, piXan wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-09-12 00:54, Psycosmo wrote:
Just cuz Im spiritual doesnt mean I have to be openminded.





what??????????????????????'????'
i dont know what ur definition of spirituality is, but im quite sure if u were spiritual at some lesser degree, one of the first manifestations of it would be the ability to let go of ur ego. clearly this is not the case. in fact i find it stupid that most people relate spirituality to clitches like oriental chants and samples, shiva imagery, lsd and other shit that are just common places in psy.
spirituality can be expressed in infinite ways, so dont come me with that crap. Want a real definition on spirituality?????
not the cheap crap mentioned. theres so much crap in this thread that makes me want to throw up. though u people were smarter than this!




Well I think that the concept of openmindedness and ego loss as necessarily equalling spirituality is cliche.

For me, being spiritual means going with the will of my spirit, doing that which the deepest forces within command me to do. If from deep within I feel a rejection of an idea or something, I could be true to my spirit by not being open to it.

With regard to ego loss, I think this is one of the biggest cliches there is. I've heard the term 'ego loss' bandied about a good 10 times for every 1 time ive heard an intellectually substantial discussion of the meanings of the terms "ego" and "ego loss".
As best as I understand the term ego, I think it is in my best interests to have one most of the time.
Being spiritual does not equal being openminded.
Pavel
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Posted : Sep 12, 2006 10:26
Quote:

On 2006-09-12 03:06, Krell wrote:

Certainly I dont see any old school melodic goa trance being anymore "spiritual" to me than some good deep trance.

Spirituality, marketed as a product sounds foul to me. Its something which belongs to the individual, and cannot and should not be spoon fed into them through brands. "This is spirituality, EAT IT!".

Hope this makes sense - I get it, your trying to mock this spirituality thing, or perhaps you just want to mock the branding of it

Spiritual music exists, what it is, is up to the individual to appreciate...

The spirit of our scene was born out of our own spirituality - I think that much is true.

- Krell




That's exactly what i meant. I am not sick of spirituality, i am sick of it's branding, i am sick of people that turn it into a product and putting a logo on it, as if Goa Trance is the only thing that is spiritual. And exactly as you say i don't see how an Astral Projection's Mahadeva is more spiritual than say Extrawelt's Soopertrack. The fact that AP use a vocal sample of some Indian chant doesn't necessarily turn it into something special.           Everyone in the world is doing something without me
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