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Skazi Smells a Funny Colour

----Dawn----
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 04:51
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On 2006-02-10 02:11, floatyhippyflower wrote:
I'm sure I've posted a reply to something like this before...

To cut a long story short, I went through a phase of thinking (and hoping!) I was synaesthetic after an old Professor of mine suggested I might be. I have very strong colour and textural associations with particular sounds or timbres...

Interesting Kire-naj was talking about tripping in the winamp thread after I said something like "I close my eyes a lot" because actually I have never taken acid or any other psychedelic for that matter. However ^ this is the very reason I close my eyes when I dance or listen to music. My mind's eye visuals are always very strong. The note E on a piano is nearly always red/very dark pink for example. F is green. Ab is purple and so on and so forth. It really helps my pitch sometimes just by singing a note in my head because I often 'hear' a colour too. Also days of the week...Monday red, Tuesday yellow/lime green, Wednesday indigo blue, Thursday is orange etc. But then even emotions have shapes and colours...it's really hard to explain, like trying to describe a dream. I sort of 'see' them in my mind's eye but 'feel' them too. So Thursday 'feels' orange, rather than 'looks' it when I write the word. The pads in Smoked Glass And Chrome are a very deep, bluey pink. Excitement is spikey and flashes light colours such as yellow and white. I could go on but I'm stoned and would bore you to tears if I haven't already.

To be honest I thought everyone was like that and didn't give it a second thought until I described something once in a seminar at uni and my Professor interjected with "do you have synaesthesia?" It was the first time I'd heard of it and so did a bit of research into the condition. Somewhat disappointingly, I don't think my personal experience would stand up under scientific tests for audio-visual synaesthesia. However I did see a documentary about it not long afterwards that made me realise we are probably all synaesthetic to some extent (onomatopoeia anyone?), and we are all part of the synaesthesia spectrum.

@ Dawn, if you haven't already, try find a documentary called Derek Tastes Of Earwax - I think it might be from the BBC Horizon series. It's so weird but so very good. Some of the theories relating to synaesthesia and the development of language were fascinating. Also, I remember when I watched it for the first time, there was this little scientist guy who started to speak (I'm sure it was the same docu) and my ears immediately pricked up...

"You take this huge universe and put it inside a very tiny head...you fold it!"

...as used by Shpongle, Around The World In A Tea Daze. What a top way to discover the origin of a most favoured sample.




That’s really interesting, Rina... in fact it sounds pretty cool!

Yeah, i have seen that doc... and yep, it was Horizon. Looks like we both watch the same shows.

http://www.uktv.co.uk/?uktv=standarditem.index&aID=528221

It's been years since i studied psychology but i still love watching (and reading about) this kind of strange stuff. There was another doc on a while back (on Channel 4 i think) covering all these kind of odd conditions. One woman could only 'see' the right side of the world (even to the extent that when asked to draw a clock, only drew the right half yet put all 12 numbers on that side) while another woman was convinced that her own hand actually belonged to her dead husband! Freaky! Anyway, i'm getting off the point...

The thing about synaesthesia is that it is incredibly strange yet also seems to be very common amongst so many people who are otherwise completely 'normal' and live completely 'normal' lives. Like you say, most people may experience synaesthesia to at least some extent. Sometimes i will associate words with smells - whether this is more to do with conditioning rather than synaesthesia i don't know - but i do know that it's odd!

What fascinates (and maybe even disturbs) me about this is that all the 'world' around us is brought into our consciousness by our senses (5 primary... and all the others) and if these senses are deceiving us, how can we really be sure about anything.

The obvious answer is we can't - we can't be certain of anything so we don't even give this kind of thinking any credibility... but when you encounter such a strange but apparently not atypical condition such as this, it really does make you think (if only briefly) 'what the hell is going on in there?'

Anyway, back to sanity!
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----Dawn----
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 05:12
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On 2006-02-10 04:16, floatyhippyflower wrote:
On a related topic I remember someone showing me a kind of chart demonstrating some kind of correlation between certain visible and audible frequencies...might have been my acoustics teacher. Hmm, will have a hunt. Never really investigated that actually...but if true (from a rigorously scientific point of view of course) bet that would make for some interesting theories regarding the relationship between the experience of sound and that of sight.



I remember reading about this guy who was convinced that he was seeing a ghost while working in his cellar. One day he took a fencing foil down there to mend. When he locked it in the vice he noticed it was vibrating.

He found that the source of the vibration was coming from the low frequency hum of a newly installed air conditioning unit and when the fan was turned off, the 'ghost' disappeared.

Maybe the vibrations caused by certain sound systems could have an effect on the brain... but then again, i probably wouldn't notice!

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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 06:42
is there somekind of scientific article on Tones and Colors?
like if the frequency spectrum of colors correspond to the frequency spectrum of tones...??

i would love to get some input on this...

floatyhippyflower - which color do you get from the tone of G?


Pt.
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 09:15
Everybody's crazy, it's just a matter of amount and direction.

To the question, yes. But in small amounts.
darkiller
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 09:36
take some mascalin and see if its true

Trold
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 21:45
This is a bit interesting......

http://www.edgenews.com/issues/2001/12/melchizedek.html

If u already have not, u should all check out "the flower of life" concept......
The deeper u fall into the rabbit hole, u will find out more and more amazing connections between sound, colour, geometry......etc...etc......have fun!

.......but of course, it also raises more questions...           Time of illusion.
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floatyhippyflower


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Posted : Feb 11, 2006 13:14
Sorry about my huge post the other day people. I'd had a smoke.
Quote:

On 2006-02-10 06:42, New Era Scientist wrote:
floatyhippyflower - which color do you get from the tone of G?


Dark indigo blue - on a piano anyway.

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On 2006-02-10 05:12, ----Dawn---- wrote:

Maybe the vibrations caused by certain sound systems could have an effect on the brain... but then again, i probably wouldn't notice!


Two things came to mind when I read this story, the first being binaural beats and hemi-sync. I keep mentioning them here because I find them utterly fascinating; using nothing but sound to alter your perceptions and state of mind. That and the stories I read when I was studying about the effects of infra sound on the body - see ghosts? Pah. Lightweight. Wait until you read about bowel expulsion frequencies.

The second thing I thought of was yet another doc I saw a long time ago (can't remember what or when, google tells me nothing) about some ancient cave, somewhere in England I think. The passage way alligned with sun at certain times of the year and the acoustics of inner cavern were very specific and extremely powerful; paintings on the wall suggested that sound waves could actually be seen when certain rituals involving sound and music were practised by the ancient inhabitants. Imagine living thousands of years ago and being able see sound waves!!

Mwahhhh...

P.S. Sorry about my long post the other day, I'd had a smoke. I can't half whitter when I'm wrecked.
l337
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Posted : Feb 11, 2006 14:20
my girlfriend has the ability to see sounds, and its very hetic, the one time when we were ata party she took me through a song , showing me what every sound looked like to her in her head and describing it to me, and alot of them i could "see" as well after she gave me the description and it was very amazing to say the least at how accurate or rather how easy it was to imagine those sounds as that, or create a scene for all the different sounds that made perfect sense

----Dawn----
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Posted : Feb 11, 2006 22:15
Quote:

On 2006-02-11 13:14, floatyhippyflower wrote:

Quote:

On 2006-02-10 05:12, ----Dawn---- wrote:

Maybe the vibrations caused by certain sound systems could have an effect on the brain... but then again, i probably wouldn't notice!



Two things came to mind when I read this story, the first being binaural beats and hemi-sync. I keep mentioning them here because I find them utterly fascinating; using nothing but sound to alter your perceptions and state of mind. That and the stories I read when I was studying about the effects of infra sound on the body - see ghosts? Pah. Lightweight. Wait until you read about bowel expulsion frequencies.

The second thing I thought of was yet another doc I saw a long time ago (can't remember what or when, google tells me nothing) about some ancient cave, somewhere in England I think. The passage way alligned with sun at certain times of the year and the acoustics of inner cavern were very specific and extremely powerful; paintings on the wall suggested that sound waves could actually be seen when certain rituals involving sound and music were practised by the ancient inhabitants. Imagine living thousands of years ago and being able see sound waves!!




I've seen that doc too!!!

Stop watching all the programs that i watch! Get your own programs, miss floaty!

Also, about the 'bowel expulsion frequencies'. They covered that on the show 'Mythbusters' and i think they 'busted' it... but i may be wrong. Shame really, what a great 'weapon of mass amusement' that could be!

Btw, i did a search and found a lot of stuff about that 'ghost' story. This is the first site that came up:

http://www.meta-religion.com/Paranormale/Ghost/ghosts_created_by_low_frequency.htm

Btw btw… does anyone on this forum see dead people… or is it just me?
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Salamantra


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Posted : Feb 13, 2006 09:35
yeah... we are all crazy... and we are not. I beliebe that there is no such thing as craziness, there is just another way of looking at the world.

And, yes... The ability to SEE something that beyond is something that is incredibly valueble. In fact, the major thing, is doesn't matter how you explain it, doesn't matter what you see... Hmm... Just the brain, the rational part of brain is something that is seriously preventing self to have any experiences. That's why the trance music for me is so powerful. It is somethig that is capturing my rational brain and make it trapped into that bizzare ornament that is made by musician.

So... All good tracks are having the story behind, the story that will lead you wile the ctructurized grooves will capture the rational brain.

That what I had long time ago when I had my first real experiences with music...
Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 13, 2006 20:08
floatyhippyflower - dont be sorry, be happy.. hehe
some interesting posts indeed...

I had a hunch that G was dark indigo blue, i started a track last summer called "indigo forest" and its in the tone of G, its a story about a blue forest and all the creatures that lives in there...
nice to hear i naild the color..
maybe i should finish it, haha..
----Dawn----
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Posted : Feb 14, 2006 02:50
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On 2006-02-13 09:35, Salamantra wrote:
we are all crazy... and we are not. I beliebe that there is no such thing as craziness, there is just another way of looking at the world.




Some of my favourite quotes are from British psychiatrist R.D. Laing who speaks of 'insanity being a perfectly rational adjustment to an insane world' and that 'the cracked mind lets in more light'. He was talking about schizophrenia if i remember correctly but i suppose this could be applied to life in general. If you look back through history you will find that a disproportionate amount of geniuses and great thinkers were, to say the least, just a little bit bonkers! ... Then again, so were a disproportionate amount of idiots.

It is often said that there is a fine line between genius and madness - i think the trick is being able to rub out that line and redraw it again in your favour before anyone notices.

PS. Don’t forget it’s ‘The 1st Annual Fart the World Better Day’ tomorrow. At noon for five minutes, flatulence suffers and lovers of all humanity and sentient consciousness will send a giant sonic arse-burp to the Earth. Well... it’s worth a try.

No naked flames, please.
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NikC
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 03:04
The impressionist artists, and poets like Baudelaire were all talking about and experimenting with the idea of Synaesthesia like we are now back in the early 1900's!

Hemi-sync and Binaural beats are very interesting too

Was going to make a CD called Binaural BeatNik - chillout - for headphones obviously - incorporating hemisynced frequencies of what would be experienced as 7Hz, 5Hz etc.
The CD was going to have three tracks - and each track called something like stimulation, meditation, relaxation etc....
And be non-cheesy

But then I realised it was
a. a silly idea and
b. surprisingly difficult to do...



P.S. the bowel loosing frequency doesn't actually exist (sorry if i'm ruining someone's dream) - as every cell in your stomach or bowels has a different resonant frequency.....

Personally when I make music - I, like Ott said, also have a very strong connection between what I hear and what I see,
I always imagine creating tracks as building panoramic landscapes... in which each space has a significan purpose - whether beautiful, or not, or even a space where nothing is used... no building or skyline or horizon or tree may be there... (hope you get what I mean)
Have also had a wee smoke so another long post but... ah well

Good thread!
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 07:45
http://psyche.cs.monash.edu.au/v3/psyche-3-06-vancampen.html


cool stuff
Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 09:28
Nice stuff Psycosmo , i will read the whole article tomorrow.. im too tried now...

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