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kazuku
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Posted : Jul 20, 2011 13:47:41
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As this is the spirituality forum I will now free flow a bit about psytrance and my spiritual experiences. I have been involved in the scene for 15 years, so I have sensed many changes in the vibes and the messages that are being sent and received when the channels are open. I find myself asking why the psychedlic experience on floors has become increasingly gritty and hostile in its nature. The gate to the inner most sanctum of the floor is often locked by selfproclaimed gatekeppers out of flesh and blood.
I understand as certain aspect of this has always been there in the form of the ever present "Acid testing" in the more pranksterish streams of the scene. The walk-ins aks scenesters/self proclaimed insidres like scaring those away who in their eyes are "weak minded" or "inexperienced".
I dont dissaprove of this practice, as long as it stays in good spirit, psy floors are mad houses after all. I enjoy it a fair bit myself afterall. However, I also remember gatherings where there was one stream towards unity for everyone - there was no malicious sabotage of self realization. One Love. Much easier and smoother to achieve. Yes, fear needs to be overcome and a leap of faith needs to be made, but imho the barriers of entry should not intentionally be made too high by people who feel they own the energy on the dance floor and that their self proclaimed "secret societies" have exclusive rights to the psychedelic key and "who gets let through the door". They believe it is their right to set the threshold. Fair enough, I believe there should be no threshold beyond the natural one, the scene should display more unity in facilitating the collective psychedelic experience and meltdown instead of sabotaging it, or playing games of control, which seems counter productive.
Yes, nothing is true everything is permissable, but the nature of our intentions remain. If everyone holds the key, why do people have to direct intentions towards blocking hole? Love everything, resistance is futile - yes, so why not make it easy for people to love, instead of boobey trapping the path for those who dont know what they are walking into, requiring guidance, not confusion and control games. Some will say deal with it. I do, very effectively. The search is hard enough in the world we live in, why not help people who are searching? This has become much less from my observation. It is a rough battle ground with intense psychological violence being apllied from many sides. Fair enough, thats rough edge psychedelic for you. Massacre. BBQ.  Cleansing the hard way.
However in all of this we should not forget that we are on the same journey and should not torment each other more than the world already does ofren enough.
I would like more pure PLUR back, hopeless and naive as it sounds, but whatever, battling is fine too if it has to be that way fine. From a Tibetan buddhist perspective, poeople just seem to have a need to roll around in the sludge of the lower bardos and drag people there. Ah well, got to keep that armor shiny then. Wannabe malicious hobby psychologists, mind controlling hypno-dickheads, possesed phallus cultists and the rest get the fuck out my trip  As can SYMBOL WARFARE. Yup.
Sorry if too long and somewhat cryptic. One love and respect.
And yeah, its all a game, gotta love everyone, but still. We need more spiritual antiseptic and not salt in the exposed wounds.
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Xamanist
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Posted : Jul 20, 2011 18:20
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 superb read, i agree with every word you wrote!
also tired of carrying my armor, would prefer to give than to block the ones who are trying to take.
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kazuku
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Posted : Jul 20, 2011 22:20
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Xamanist, I feel happy that you have made similar experiences and commented.
The meltdown mafia is working on a solution as we speak
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mica
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Posted : Jul 20, 2011 23:00
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I see it to Kazuku, but is it real ? are we just feeding it and creating it with our minds, which ever the case I make sure that I am the most powerfull one on the floor ,my Bubble is indestructible, but also nice and fluffy |
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kazuku
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Posted : Jul 21, 2011 00:03
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I have often asked myself the same question Mica, on its most basic level the existence of people who attempt to break peoples flows for shere malice and drain energy via something as simple as attention whoring cannot be denied imho.
Sure we also project things, but this is something that is occuring widely. Peoples psychedlic journey´s psyfloors have become generally darker in general, and I am not only talking about myself, but countless shared experiences around the globe.
My intuition and past experience have led me to believe that the phenomenon goes alot deeper and is very real, again, imho. The system, the hive mind, the matrix - call it what you like - when the shackles are broken, it becomes enraged. These days on psychedelic dance floors, the quest for spiritual freedom is often met with persecution and ridicule. When the system realizes you have broken out of the fold it manifests through the subconcionsce of people around you. There is a battle of essences taking place, and if this is the original Star Wars Trilogy, we are currently somewhere toward the end of the Empire Strikes Back
Nothing too serious, just (S)laughter, (The name of a new Secret Society track which I find very appropriate).
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mica
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Posted : Jul 21, 2011 02:52
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Heavy thoughts my friend, very interesting
I remember someone telling me about such activities that were taking place at boom 2003 ,I was there but still did not have the same perception that I have now about the matter.
This person told me about very serious situations that involved one group of people deliberately trying to "suck" the energy from others on the floor in a very malicious way , she said that some one even fainted,.Now I know its storys , or maybe not but this is just what I heard.
But the subconscious version of this could probably be much more dangerous, which is what i believe you are speaking of.
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kazuku
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Posted : Jul 21, 2011 12:33
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When Goa Gil was asked why the music he was playing had become so dark and gritty he mentioned that he was merely reflecting what he and others around the world were experiencing in states of hightend awareness, a shifting of energy. I am not a big fan or whatever, but no matter how one stands to his music, he is definetly a badass hip scenster who has been around and has the right to an opinion.
It is pretty much in the open for people with eyes to see, and if you look carefully you will see the theme focused on throughout the psychedlic scene. Look at many of the track, album and party/festival names, they speak to you This is a process many people obeserve, and take active part in but it is difficult to manifest in words for plenty of reasons. The whispers and signs are everywhere though.
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Xamanist
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Posted : Jul 21, 2011 14:37
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I also scan very closely my mind and heart to discover my own projections and free myself from them as possible. This is my own mission for myself and for the whole party, a responsability imo.
It's also undeniable that a lot of people nowadays are consciously and inconsciously living from other people's energy in a negative way. I'm not a person who judges de others by their looks... I love diversity, and would love to see more people in a suit at parties like I used to see LOL directly from work to the party and with no shame of being diferent... I would love to see other people being happy with seeing someone expressing himself peacefully and fully in whatever way they desire, instead of judging and putting pressure.
The worst part is the people who consciously take energy from others. It's very observable from a certain distance, and a very recognizable feeling in the middle of the energy swirl (how many times you feel your back beeing "stabbed" from behind?).
This people tend to wrongly interpret, flow and use their sexual and other energies. Their constantly seeking the most open heart, the weakest link, the mos stimulous pure energy around and feed from it... And when they are a lot, the danceflor becomes a battlefield... Then you can fight them with light at your own energy expense (throwing imaginary or not light rays LOL) or find a quiet distant place to enjoy yourself and nature in a more peaceful way.
I don't go to so many parties anymore because I'm tired of being surrounded by people that I can't connect with in a positive way, and that's very sad... Of course there are exceptions, and for those I seek and say thank you
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Posted : Jul 21, 2011 19:15
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I need some examples IRL of this you are talking about to fully understand it. I dont know if I get it.
What I am very aware of is that many psyheads are quite totalitarian: MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY its a quite common in their language. For me this comes from the idealismthat is rooted in the psy subculture, and its conection to Plato's theory of ideals. These people tend to seek for "perfect" or pure forms of their ideals, because of that any deviation is unholy and must be supressed.
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures." |
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Xamanist
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Posted : Jul 21, 2011 19:25
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someone consciously
- hating
- wishing the worst
- trying to provoke a fight with
- trying to get the attention with evil purposes of
- trying to create problems to
- trying to get advantage of
- making a fool of
someone because of
- envy in all its ways (looks, happiness, companion, diference, etc)
- pure distorted fun
- evil intentions (unrespectful uncontroled desire, will to use and abuse mentally or physically, etc)
not sure if its clear now Sérgio Xamanist
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kazuku
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Posted : Aug 5, 2011 14:37
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Let me add a little to this topic. The state of trance is often misunderstood and its potential underestimated. If you consider the power that a hypnotist can achieve over their subject in a mesmerised state, it is easy to fathom the possibilities for manipulation that arise when people are in trance.
If you want to go deep into the subject, luck at the history of LSD experimentation, which turns out to be a rabbit hole, and closer to the realm of science fiction as it is beyond anything we suspect and imagine. Counter culture always was a two headed beast, a freedom loving, smiling one and the ugly brother, infiltrated by powers that wish to control. Just look at the involvement of secert services in the music industry and distribution of LSD, MK Ultra being and obvious starting point for research. LSD can be a tool for freedom, but can also be a tool for control as the past has proven. Also look at the relationship between trance states, trauma based mind control and multiple-personality disorder.
What I want to express with this is that at large psy festivals, there are people who understand the mechanisms of the mind very well. Some of these people, for whatever reasons, seek to exploit this knowledge to the disadvantage of those who are not aware what is going on. Sometimes this may only be a few individuals, often they operate in groups.
Without going into too much detail, there are several techniques that are used to redirect your conciousness. Most important principle is to undertand that "energy flows where attention goes". Many of the tricks that are used are not unlike the skills of a street magician, operating on the borders of the visible, skillfully directing your attention to where they want it. A technique that is often used is something I have come to call "much ado about nothing". Its hard to explain, but it involves operating on the borders of perception doing something that cannot be identified. The more you focus on it, the more unidentifiable it becomes, and all the while you are being dragged into something. What are you dragged into? A loop. Into someone elses trip. They are playing with your conciousness and energy. Some just for laughs. Some for control. Some because of spriritual arrogance. Some to voluntarily leech and spiritually degrade. Many reasons, humans can be twisted people. LSD and other psychoactive drugs can also bring out extremely negative tendencies in people- a feeling that one holds secret knowledge, is superior, one is omnipotent and can suck on the "sheeple" as they wish. Look at Charles Manson for example, Hubbard, countless others. Manipulation.
The realms of psychology and "magic" are blurred as it is, and there are plenty of people who experiment on the borders of conciousness. Often highly intelligent and influential who see no seperation in science, psychology and magic.No need to say psychedelics are often a key factor here.
This guy for example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Whiteside_Parsons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babalon_Working
Psychedelic floors, like the world in general, are asylums. Some inmates are loving and well meaning, other hungry for control over others. Some have agendas to push.
There is a whole other dimension to the interactions on psytrance floors, beyond the mere intentional energy vampirism (which is fairly evident) and psychological trickery. That is only one part of the story. The rest depends on how willing you are to accept the total mumbo jumbo side of things, which is unddoubtedly there, imho. Truth is science fiction that is hyper-real
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Posted : Aug 6, 2011 12:58
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It surely must become a point of concern bro coz i know very well what you have tried to point out and you could not be more correct .......... there are all kinds of people who are toying with many strange ideas about the potentials of mind/substances and pushing people in wrong direction ..........and these people are not fools but quiet intelligent to do so ....... they are in a different trip all to gather .......... have come across few in my party life and otherwise .
all i can say as a remedy increase tolerance as well as PLUR..... instead of increasing personal egos increase brotherhood levels and avoid being personal with such if you come across coz they would want to connect at a delicate time of trance in any manner i.e. fight or flight peace n keep spreading the light
"lets try and this sadism can and will stop", will see the morning glory as it was again
appreciate this topic
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kazuku
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Posted : Aug 6, 2011 14:01
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Thank you for your contribution Jabba. I will continue to add more to this topic (there is alot more that can be said).
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Posted : Aug 7, 2011 23:46
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yes.. unfortunately, this is the story of humanity.. it repeats itself without end and will do so until long after you and me are gone, i think..
once there starts to be a considerable amount of energy around anything, any scene, it begins to attract more and more attention, almost exponentially (if it gets big enough). the energy it starts with can be as pure as you want, it will always start to attract shadier elements if it gets known. good vibes and open minded people, if openly advertised, will bring those who know how to exploit it for their gain.. because after all.. as aware as some of us may be about how are energy affects others.. many people still live in fear, hunger, pain, or illusion every day, and their priorities are twisted.
i think this will be an issue for humans everywhere until people live universally in peace.. and who knows whether that is ever possible.
still. i like to hope, and i feel what you are saying kazuku. |
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Xamanist
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 16:18
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The psychedelic floor as a true mirror of the world and its unbalance.
In its main current more unbalanced and twisted than ever (in my experience), in the less known currents blossoming in a quest for the new pure.
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