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Shiva Moon desaster: Mother went to police finally

Kitnam
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Posted : Dec 19, 2004 09:27
http://www.welt.de/data/2004/12/04/369652.html

german link.
s4chaos


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Posted : Dec 19, 2004 17:32
I will never forget the police at the morning at the fucking dixi! I hope the girl get the right penalty for that!
chris-mas


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Posted : Dec 20, 2004 13:04
at last!!
i also remember...can't belive people are capable of something like that!
aje
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 16:05
i wonder what made her do this after 2 years.... this is a fucking tragedy, not only for the kid, but also the mother, she was only seventeen....she must have felt so guilty, thats probably enough punishment for her.           Check out my album: http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/gay-satanic-hippie-tiefenrausch
a3k
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Posted : Dec 28, 2004 16:49
????would anyone be kind enought 2 explain thix?
i went 2 the link, but i don´t understand the language......
thx in advance!           ...
Arata


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Posted : Dec 29, 2004 00:00
this is a sad thing to hear about!!

Not good...its tragic!!
aje
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Posted : Dec 29, 2004 14:48
The story goes as follows:

2 years ago at the Shiva Moon someone found a dead newborn baby in the the portable toilet. A "mother" must have given birth right inside. THe police went looking for the mother, but couldnt find her. Now, 2 years later, a 17 year old girl came forward and admitted it was her baby. She said she had taken extasy at the time.

It was a very big dfeal in the german press at the time and gave the trance scene a really bad name.           Check out my album: http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/gay-satanic-hippie-tiefenrausch
Klementor


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Posted : Dec 29, 2004 17:48
Now 2 years later, she is 19, held fully responsible for her actions by that time and to be honest, pretty dumb to wait 2 years. This story shook the whole scene back then!!!!And yes it is a tragedy for a mother to loose a child, but to loose a child while you are fucked up on Ecstase at a party is nothing but stupid and irresponsible, I hope the last 2 years have been punishment for her, but I do not think she really does regret, because 2 years is a long ass time!


Kitnam
Mantik

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Posted : Dec 30, 2004 15:10
I also wonder about the think, that nobody realises anything on the party! She must have screaming while she was born the baby and nobody realised it? Nobody has seen the baby before the toilet-cleaners came there? No one realised that the mother had a smaller body after finishing the way to toilet?

Shawnodese
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Posted : Dec 30, 2004 21:14
U shouldn't judge so much Klementor 'cause in fact you don't know nothing what this girl went through mate...if you'd be in her shoes I'd like to see what you would have done. It's absolutely a horrible thing that happened and I think Aje is a lot closer to the truth than you saying that those 2 years probably were intense hell and suffering to her and that that has been probably more than enough. The fact that she's been reporting herself shows me she's trying to face her responsibilities and maybe finally able to climb out of the gap that she felt she fell in after loosing her baby. Imagine you're 17, pregnant and something like that happens and all those people elsewhere are oh-so-ready-as-humans-always-are to spit and step on those "who did wrong"...come on and get yourself together and be a bit less judgemental next time...'cause in the end judging someone never helped anyone in the 1st place I wish this ex-mother and young lady all the luck and love in the world..it's exactly those people being such a mess and so hurt that need it most of us all !
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Klementor


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Posted : Dec 31, 2004 02:47
true, too much judging on my side...but being in her shoes and what I would have done?! Cmon! I would have not taken Ecstase in the first place when I would be a pregnant mother.
The situation is irresponsible, as a upcoming mother you should know better to not take Ecstase when you are pregnant, and that has nothing to with the fact, that she lost the baby at the party!
I am already shaking my head, when I see a pregnant smoking a cigarette, and sorry to say, but if you are that way, than you are not worth taking the responsiblity to give birth to a child.
astraltraveller


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Posted : Jan 5, 2005 17:29
sad sad story
i read another article saying she had a breakdown after making the confession...and her 29yrs old boyfriend was with her (at that toilette)
as the link doesn't work, here is it:

Mutter von totem Baby stellt sich
Neugeborenes war in Stölln in Miettoilette ertrunken

Katrin Bischoff

POTSDAM/MÜNSTER. Vor mehr als zwei Jahren fand eine Putzfrau ein totes Neugeborenes in einer Miettoilette auf dem Flugplatzgelände in Stölln (Havelland). Dort feierten zu diesem Zeitpunkt rund 10 000 Menschen das Shiva-Moon-Festival - eine Goa-Massenparty. Die Polizei fahndete lange Zeit erfolglos nach der Mutter des Jungen - bis Donnerstagabend. Da stellte sich eine 19-jährige junge Frau bei der Polizei im Münsterland in Nordrhein-Westfalen und gestand, die Kindesmutter zu sein.

"Die junge Frau hat sich gegen 18 Uhr in Begleitung eines Herrn vom Jugendamt bei den Behörden gemeldet", sagte Wolfgang Schweer von der Staatsanwaltschaft Münster am Freitag der Berliner Zeitung. Nach ihrem Geständnis sei sie zusammengebrochen und in eine Klinik gebracht worden. Sie sei jedoch wieder vernehmungsfähig. "Wir werden gegen sie und gegen den 29-jährigen Kindesvater, der sich am Freitagmorgen gestellt hat, Haftbefehl wegen gemeinschaftlichen Totschlags des Kindes beantragen", sagte Schweer.

Im August 2002 soll die damals 17-jährige Frau während des Shiva-Moon-Festivals im Beisein ihres Freundes den gemeinsamen Sohn heimlich in die Chemie-Toilette hineingeboren haben. Bei dem Kind handelte es sich um eine Frühgeburt. Laut Obduktion hatte der Junge kurz geatmet und war dann in der Toilette ertrunken. Nachdem eine Reinigungskraft am nächsten Morgen die Leiche des Neugeborenen entdeckt hatte, nahm die Polizei die Personalien von den noch auf dem Gelände befindlichen rund 1 700 Frauen auf. "Sie wurden aufgefordert, sich einem freiwilligen Speicheltest zu unterziehen", sagte Ralf Roggenbuck, der Sprecher der Potsdamer Staatsanwaltschaft. Dem Test, der die Mutterschaft klären sollte, hatte sich bis Donnerstag ein Großteil dieser Frauen aus ganz Deutschland unterzogen.

Verzweiflung und Drogen

"Die Frau, die sich jetzt in Münster gestellt hat, war allerdings nicht unter denen, die zu einem Speicheltest aufgefordert worden waren", sagte Roggenbuck. Der Zufall sei den Ermittlern zu Hilfe gekommen, musste Roggenbuck eingestehen. Da bei Jugendlichen und Heranwachsenden das Wohnort- und nicht das Tatortprinzip gelte, habe man den Fall an die Staatsanwaltschaft in Münster abgegeben.

"Die Tat hat etwas mit Verzweiflung und auch Drogen zu tun", sagte Oberstaatsanwalt Wolfgang Schweert. Bei der chemisch-toxikologischen Untersuchung des Leichnams des Kindes damals hatte sich ergeben, dass die Mutter die Droge "Ecstasy" eingenommen haben musste. Laut Schweer habe sich die Frau jetzt zu der Kindstötung bekannt, weil sie die Tat nicht mehr mit ihrem Gewissen hätte vereinbaren können. Die 19-Jährige soll weder Schule noch Ausbildung abgeschlossen und schon Kinder haben.
Animus
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 17:05
Nut/mother of totem baby places itself newborn child in Stoelln in
renting toilet had drowned

Katrin Bischoff

POTSDAM/CATHEDRAL. More than two years ago a charwoman found a
dead newborn child in a renting toilet on the airfield area in Stoelln
(Havelland). There approximately 10,000 humans celebrated the
Shiva-Moon-festival - a Goa Massenparty at this time. The police
searched long time unsuccessfully for the nut/mother of the boy -
until thursday evening. There a 19-jaehrige young woman placed itself
at the police in the cathedral country in North Rhine-Westphalia and
confessed to be the child nut/mother.

"the young woman announced herself against 18 o'clock in company of a
gentleman of the youth welfare office at the authorities", said
Wolfgang Schweer of the public prosecutor's office cathedral on Friday
of the citizens of Berlin newspaper. After its confession it broke
down and into a hospital was brought. It is however again in a state
of beeing interrogated. "we become against it and against the
29-jaehrigen child father, who placed himself on Friday morning,
warrant of arrest because of joint homicide of the child request",
said Schweer.

In August 2002 those is to have in-born 17-jaehrige woman at that time
during the Shiva-Moon-festival in the presence of her friend the
common son secretly into the chemistry toilet. With the child it
concerned a fruehgeburt. According to autopsy the boy had breathed and
in the toilet had then drowned briefly. After a cleaning strength had
discovered the corpse of the newborn child on the next morning, the
police took up particulars of the approximately 1,700 women still
present at the area. "you were requested, to a freiwilligen saliva
test to undergo", said Ralf Roggenbuck, the speaker of the Potsdamer
public prosecutor's office. Until Thursday a majority of these women
had undergone Germany out completely to the test, which should clarify
the maternity.

Despair and drugs

"the woman, who placed herself now in cathedrals, was not
however under those, which had been requested to a saliva test", said
Roggenbuck. The coincidence came the Ermittlern to assistance, had to
admit Roggenbuck. Since with young people and growing up the residence
and do not apply the scene principle, one delivered the case to the
public prosecutor's office in cathedrals.

"the act has something with despair and also drugs to do", said senior
public prosecutor Wolfgang Schweert. In the case of the
chemical-toxicological investigation of the body of the child it had
resulted at that time that the nut/mother must have taken the drug
"Ecstasy". According to Schweer the woman has herself now to the child
kindstoetung well-known, because she could not have agreed upon the
act more with her conscience. The 19-Jaehrige is to finally and have
neither school nor training already children.


what a sad story... :\           Dj_Animus(Nectar Prod.PT)
LiQuId^TrOlL
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Posted : Jan 9, 2005 11:45
Too sad mate......           StIlL TrIpPiN------->WaY To TrAnCe
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