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exotic
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Posted : Dec 25, 2005 11:12
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hey thats cool .. can we try and merge these two threads ..
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Forest dreams
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Posted : Dec 26, 2005 14:12
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On 2005-12-24 14:31, =((exotic>>>=== wrote:
do samples really make a difference to a track as such ? is it just meant to add a little humour instead of making sense in the context in which it is used ? or am i making a big deal of this ?
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ive always been intrested in knowing what the sample says or which mvie or where its picked up from...
imo samples usually make a track more psychedelic, you hear a few words n tend to get lost in the track. samples also help bring a track into groove... ive noticed long vocal samples played just before the killr part of a track or just to get the track in to full mode like in smash(melicia) n there are so many others,
a lot of times ive also felt the sample is not really needed, or out of place. and yeah not that big a fan of drug samples myself. they tend to take the track in only a single direction...
i was just listenin to 'keep talking'- pink floyd.the sample on this one falls perfectly in place...
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ganjagil
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Posted : Dec 26, 2005 17:10
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For me a sample can completely ruin a track, because voice is one of the most powerful things on earth, and if it's a stupid sample in the middle of a killer track i would still consider it not a prefect track! I love a sample when its meant to give a special expression and talks about different realities you know Trance.
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Posted : Dec 26, 2005 19:47
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mubali
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Posted : Dec 27, 2005 02:26
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Today??? This is something that was part of the music a little bit before today... I remember certain artists using all types of movie samples, some really worked with the track, some really didn't. For a while it was almost cliche to use a movie sample partially because most other genres of dance music sampled from Pop and soul music. Sampling is one of those things about electronic music as a whole that kinda gave it a bit of a strange quality to it. It would be like you totally hear these sounds that are alien to you and what you know about what was considered music, and then there was this sample that you could recognize and relate to inside the music that would kinda, I dunno, help you relate to it better... Here's an analogy that might help in explaining this....
Remember your first day of school? How unfamiliar the setting was, how alien the new atmosphere was to you, now imagine that at your first day of school you ran into your neighbor friend that you had grown up with since you were born. It adds a sense of familiarity to a totally alien situation to allow you to adjust to it a little better.
Most of the time the tracks did have pertaining samples, but many people were adding samples just for the sake of doing so. They felt that the tracks were incomplete without some sort of a vocal sample. And that's kinda what led to the senseless sample thing...
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Posted : Dec 27, 2005 03:14
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Dec 27, 2005 03:47
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Vocal samples (from movies, tv shows etc) can be fun and interesting, and even convey deep artistic statements, if they are done right. Ideally they should be very short, so that they are taken out of their context, reconstrueing them so that their meaning seems intended to relate to the mood of the music rather than whatever they origionally came from. Examples of samples I like are D-Tek-Earth Technologies
"Have You Been Hallucinating lately"
"No! Should I Be?"
"Yes, You should"
and Cosmosis "Theyve been comin here ever since the scientists started shinin' Radar Beams off the moon..." I was very surprised when I saw Easy Rider and heard where that quote came from.
My favorite example of crappy sample use I cant remember the artist or the track but it is of Michael J Fox (I think) saying "This was YOUR idea..blablabla.. without authorization...blablabla" I see nothing intellectual, humorous, trippy, novel, any purpose that that sample serves. Its just a guy talking, delivering a mediocre performance in some nondescript boring hollywood movie, why sample it? I dont see the point of sampling somones words unless they have some particular wisdom or make artistic sense in the context of the music.
Thats my opinion.
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mubali
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Posted : Dec 27, 2005 21:24
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I can understand your perspective on what you are seeking from psychedelic trance nolightatend, the analogy that I made was based upon the experience I had listening to this music when I first got into.
Another point that has been made, but is really valid is, have you ever tried to describe a psytrance song? not a subgenre, but a particular song to someone who isn't familiar with the artist or anything like that? About one of the only things that really allows this music to be described to others is the use of samples. Take for instance Absolum's Goldfinger... I couldn't begin to describe to you what the track sounds like, but as soon as I mention one of the samples "Can anyone stop the mechanical mayhem?" I'm sure if you've heard it, you might pick up on it.
One thing that you did mention that I left out in my previous post was that people do get into this music for their own reasons. Some people went seeking this music because it was completely different than any type of music they had previously encountered. Some were introduced to this music through other outlets. (multigenre events, other friends, etc.)
Also I think that I might not have explained myself when I discussed samples and vocal samples. In my line of thinking, any audio file that has human speech or singing is a vocal sample. any audio file that has anything else is a sample... Sorry, I try to title thing in accordance to what I think it would logically be.
Now this is just my personal opinion, but I believe that as much as psychedelic trance wants to show you things you haven't heard or seen before, it's still a form of dance music. As human beings that have been attached to many aspects of western culture for the past 50 years, whether we consciously acknowledge it or not we find some acceptance in familiarity. Familiarity might not be what we are looking for, but sometimes it might be that one catalyst that will allow the individual to process the entire experience and perhaps find an understanding to those impulses that we do not understand.
Now... Take IDM for instance... no vocal samples what so ever. All types of really strange sounds... It could even be argued that it is more psychedelic than trance. However, to the average listener of music, it's a bit harder to process that type of music for a number of reasons, lack of familiarity being one. Shit, I don't even understand that stuff yet... Though it's really great to brainstorm to.
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exotic
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Posted : Dec 31, 2005 15:23
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A brilliant example of intelligent sample use is the new bliss album . Im yet to see /hear something better/ comical / than the samples used here .
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duodenumz
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Posted : Dec 31, 2005 21:09
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This has been one of my pet peeves for years now.
The use of samples out-of-context drives me mad, and it is so common in full-on psy.
I think that samples should be used as part of the entire track to complement the rest of the music. Not just before the bassline drops, or during the breakdown. That's so boring. It's even worse when the producer doesn't bother to clean up the samples, so they sound very dirty in the mix.
I was just watching Liquid Crystal Vision, and that movie alone has enough new samples for the next 10 years worth of full-on. Alex Grey alone provides a heap of them ;-) |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 01:10
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"This is a samp return mission! where not bringing back rocks, we bring you back atoms"
this is a sample i have used in a very old track! it starts the track off, and then there is one more vocal sample, "are there other funky things"
i think that if the vocal sample/s correspond to the music/to the rest of the track then its fine...
but i think there should be a thought about it... not just to fill a gap... which i know can happen, to anyone, i mean you can fill gaps with other senseless things...
i like when the sample has a meaning... or humor! or just purely psychedelic, reversed vocals or crazy FX on them to add atmosphere....
best is some grainulized Lsd sample, hehe from some albert hofmann thing with lots of reverb! 
there are toons of meaningful words that has been said and that can be said again through music...
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 09:10
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charlie and irving duh |
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