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Samsara
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Posted : Apr 19, 2005 17:04
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Wav.
Or some form of lossless files.
2 dollars seems fine for lossless.
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krelm
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Posted : Apr 19, 2005 17:05
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On 2005-04-18 18:19, rodram wrote:
Friend of mine is on itunes. They have a system called AAC, how does this compare in quality?
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For the size, AAC is better than mp3 quality. Beatport sells 192kbps VBR AAC files and 320kbps CBR mp3 files, and both have approximately the same quality.
However, from a DJ's perspective.....
I don't think that most digital DJing software (Traktor, Final Scratch, Ableton Live) supports AAC format - just mp3 and wav. I think that sticking to mp3 (or lossless wav) will give more flexibility to the people who will be buying these tracks to DJ with.
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traveller
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Posted : Apr 20, 2005 00:25
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Yes no point in going out side the standard formats..
I would replace 128kbps mp3s with 96kbps-192kbps vbrs thou, it's about the same file size, no?
Anyways I don't see myself buying mp3s or wavs or any other format other than cds, sacds and other "real" mediums..
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HandA
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Posted : Apr 20, 2005 01:36
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AAC is getting quite a big format... iTunes Store and it's many many million users via the iTunes player (most on PC these days) are happy to use it and buy more and more music converted to AAC (25 million songs this year so far).
No matter what you say you cant run from the fact that itunes Store is the no.1 online store today and that AAC is becoming a major format as more and more Windoze users start to use iTunes and buy their music at the many iTunes Stores popping up in every country. |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Apr 20, 2005 04:08
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iTunes surely choosed AAC because of it's DRM system.
Saikosound expressed they where not planning to go down that route luckily.
I will be happy to buy some FLAC or 320k from them, but DRM protected files I can't play in all my equipment or software is hardly a tempting option.
I think iTunes is a bad model for digital delivery when it comes to dance music where people is a bit more discerning about formats.
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Toghun
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Posted : Apr 20, 2005 08:07
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yes its a great idea to get cds more easly |
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krelm
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Posted : Apr 20, 2005 15:40
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On 2005-04-20 01:36, HandA wrote:
No matter what you say you cant run from the fact that itunes Store is the no.1 online store today and that AAC is becoming a major format as more and more Windoze users start to use iTunes and buy their music at the many iTunes Stores popping up in every country.
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I actually like the format. For the quality vs. filesize it's damned good....as long as DRM isn't being used. And the iTunes player software is also great. But I think AAC will always be second hand to mp3 for electronic music until all of the popular DJing software is compatible with it. Till then, mp3 is the way to go - it's all in the hands of the software engineers. 
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Kitnam
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Posted : Apr 20, 2005 16:10
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now we are rasping on the state where labels become redundant and online-stores sell the tracks directly to the costumers. the classical label which presses the a trackcollection on a cd will be useless if the artist would deal with institutions like saikosounds directly. if this happens, it would be also possible for the costumer to select online the tracks he wants on a virtual individual compilation, which is in his letter-box 3 days later. it would be also cheaper for the costumer because label-gross margin is left.
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trancelestial
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Posted : Apr 20, 2005 19:05
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Theses files can be downloaded @ saikosounds.com? Or only make a cd with them?
Man, if you cant get the files in the site, ITS SUCKS!
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Cosmos Mariner
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Posted : Apr 20, 2005 22:52
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On 2005-04-20 19:05, trancelestial wrote:
Theses files can be downloaded @ saikosounds.com? Or only make a cd with them?
Man, if you cant get the files in the site, ITS SUCKS!
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while our friend here has trouble reading (yes, you can download from the site, that's what they've been talking about for 4 pages FOOL) he does bring up a good point. It would be kinda cool to choose up to 72 minutes of audio and have saikosounds burn it for you with a nice litle case and artwork. maybe nothing fancy, but perhaps more elegant than a CDR with your bad handwriting on it.
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Maak ku Paax
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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 00:09
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This are great news indeed. Count me in, I'll buy lots of stuff this way, and at the same time I'll support my favorite artists.
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 00:18
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I think it is a great idea. $2 is not bad, since I get sometime a CD for 14 + Shipping and I get a bunch of tracks I do not want. So in a way CDs waste my money
I think 128 is still a lil low, I mean with dial up I would prefer to wait more and get something playable. But I understand your concerns.
Also bandwidth is pretty expensive, in addition of the previews there has to be space to allow the downloads... I personally would like to get the wav. So we are talking 73 Megs. And knowing how picky we are with sound quality I am sure i will not be the only one.
The best of luck Saiko. I personally thank you for keeping this kick ass store alive and kickin' |
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----Dawn----
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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 18:31
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A couple of points that came to mind:
Charging per track - what if an album only has a few long tracks (like 'The Mystery Of The Yeti') or if someone does an album like Mike Oldfield's 'Amarok' (only one track). It's going to be a cheap album! You could split it but that leads me onto my second point.
What about mixes or albums where tracks merge - if you are downloading the tracks to burn as an album - joining individual tracks is tricky - you usually get some kind of glitch or 'artefact'. With this kind of music you need to burn it as a single track - preferably using a cue sheet for indexing. If this is (illegally) available - why paid for joined glitchy stuff?
Just a few thoughts. If it helps the artists (instead of just lining your pockets) then good luck with it - but personally i have my doubts. |
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furthur
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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 19:46
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An issue that is important for me.
Will stuff that is pressed on vinyl only be available as downloads or on CDR?
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dj jaimz
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Posted : Apr 22, 2005 04:47
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Hi Dawn,
With long tracks, it's not something we've really considered, but I would imagine that we would simply discuss it with the label and artist and see what they were most comfortable with. The track pricing that we've suggested is a guideline only, a rough average. Some labels may ask us to charge more, others might encourage us to charge less. For longer tracks I doubt we'd break them up - every track tells a story and it's not like people sell long novels per-chapter, so we'd keep it as it was.
For mix CDs, we'd probably either not offer them as digital downloads at all, or offer them as one long track with a cue file. I wouldn't feel right even allowing individual tracks from a mix to be downloaded, as it would destroy the whole concept of a mix. I would imagine that in these cases while it would be one long track, we would charge as we would for downloading an entire album. Again, this is up to the label to decide on, and it might be the case that mixes are offered cheaper than albums, as labels recognise that mixes are an excellent promotional tool.
Hi Further,
Whether or not we offer vinyl releases, and in what form, would also be up to the label. I would imagine that the status quo would remain - the vinyls that are currently released that have CD counterparts would probably be available in digital format, whereas the vinyls that are only available as a vinyl might stay vinyl-only, to support the small but well respected community of psytrance vinyl DJs.
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