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HandA
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 11:16
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On 2005-08-25 09:18, piko_bianko wrote:
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I believe you mean a "Rider"  Unless of course it's a Sheakspere performance and the script need to some fine tuning 
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 12:00
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On 2005-08-24 18:31, daniel duarte wrote:
God just think about it.. Would you prefer seeing Metallica or some other band doing covers of metallica? Get my point?
Its about seeing the creators of that track you love...
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Ehmm do you compare a deejay set with a band making covers of others ? Sounds... absurd ! Sorry to be harsh but I couldn't find any other word..
Seing the creator of the track I love ??
Well I really don't get your point.. I don't care if the guy is tall or small, fat or thin, cute or ugly, long-haired or skinhead, pierced or scarified, one-eyed or long-sighted.. As long as he "only" push he play button for his so called live-act he is nothing but a sucker, and I don't care if he needed 10 minutes of 50 hours to make his track.. I would 1000X prefer hearing that track properly mixed by a skilled DJ...
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piko_bianko
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 13:09
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HandA ok.. i'm not english and i usually reply in a hurry... will ever forgive me ?
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HandA
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 13:14
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On 2005-08-25 13:09, piko_bianko wrote:
HandA ok.. i'm not english and i usually reply in a hurry... will ever forgive me ?
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It was a joke... lighten up |
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daniel duarte
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 15:51
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On 2005-08-25 12:00, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
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On 2005-08-24 18:31, daniel duarte wrote:
God just think about it.. Would you prefer seeing Metallica or some other band doing covers of metallica? Get my point?
Its about seeing the creators of that track you love...
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Ehmm do you compare a deejay set with a band making covers of others ? Sounds... absurd ! Sorry to be harsh but I couldn't find any other word..
Seing the creator of the track I love ??
Well I really don't get your point.. I don't care if the guy is tall or small, fat or thin, cute or ugly, long-haired or skinhead, pierced or scarified, one-eyed or long-sighted.. As long as he "only" push he play button for his so called live-act he is nothing but a sucker, and I don't care if he needed 10 minutes of 50 hours to make his track.. I would 1000X prefer hearing that track properly mixed by a skilled DJ...
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If you werent so focused in disagreeing with me you would obviously see my points. I compared the dj with the band just because of the apearance stuff... It is indeed the same thing, if you think about it. The creator must be distinguished from the performer, no? It doesnt matter how high you put a dj, he is still (mainly!) mixing other peoples tracks. This doesnt mean it cant be good. Of course it can... It just means that there is a small diference in earing what a guy has to offer mixing, and earing what a guy has to offer in his whole tracks.. What message will he bring with his creation..
Plus, when I say apearance, I dont mean to take it literally like you so happily did. What I ment was what I said just above... Its about listening to the message of a music creator; its about listening the tracks at home and thinking that guy's a genius and then go see him life...
Notice that im not saying that live should be all "play/stop". No! I do like a good performed live act with some actual live sounds. I just dont think its fair when people throw down a "live-acter" just because he didnt do whatever you people wanted. You should think about the all picture before that..
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 17:59
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On 2005-08-25 15:51, daniel duarte wrote:
If you werent so focused in disagreeing with me you would obviously see my points. I compared the dj with the band just because of the apearance stuff... |
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Well this is where we disagree then.. According to me it's not just about the "appearance" thing.. Sometimes a deejay announced at a party will attract me there even more than a live-act besides, simply because I consider Djing and performing live as two distinctive and "complete" disciplines (hope the translastion is correct..).
I mean that a deejay is a perfomer in himself, and a GOOD deejay can, thanks to his skill, make something 'unexpected' with the tracks he uses.. like choosing a track that will fit perfectly with the previous one, and so on..
And this is the precise reason why I couldn't understand what you were meaning with such a comparison betweeb being the Dj and being a band making covers..
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 18:13
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i agree with kako here in every word... not much more to add 
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daniel duarte
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 19:23
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On 2005-08-25 17:59, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
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On 2005-08-25 15:51, daniel duarte wrote:
If you werent so focused in disagreeing with me you would obviously see my points. I compared the dj with the band just because of the apearance stuff... |
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Well this is where we disagree then.. According to me it's not just about the "appearance" thing.. Sometimes a deejay announced at a party will attract me there even more than a live-act besides, simply because I consider Djing and performing live as two distinctive and "complete" disciplines (hope the translastion is correct..).
I mean that a deejay is a perfomer in himself, and a GOOD deejay can, thanks to his skill, make something 'unexpected' with the tracks he uses.. like choosing a track that will fit perfectly with the previous one, and so on..
And this is the precise reason why I couldn't understand what you were meaning with such a comparison betweeb being the Dj and being a band making covers..
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You are jumping from point to point.
In your first post you asked 'how could i compare a dj with a band performing covers' and thats what I did by saying what you quoted from me: "compared the dj with the band just because of the apearance stuff..."
Im NOT saying that the apearance is the main thing. It was just an example towards your first input about comparing the cover bands with djs.
Now, in your last post you are just grabing this sentence and defending a way diferent point, than the reason I said it.
Notice that i mention the fact of me loving dj sets aswell and respecting them. All I said as you can see above, was to made you realize the diference between a live performance and the dj.
Your last points about prefering a party with a dj are pretty irrelevant because thats not what we (at least me and you) were discussing. I just pointed the fact that there is a big diference in playing tracks and making them.
Now, just think about it. When the dj life reaches the end, what will his discography be? Recorded mixes? Releases compilations? .. A producer will have albums.. feelings translated to tracks thru the years...
Its just an example.. dont take it literaly again and say stuff like "is the discography all that matters?" .. Of course it isnt.. it was just another point in stating the obvious diferences and the obvious ups and downs of being a dj and/or a producer. |
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 19:35
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On 2005-08-25 19:23, daniel duarte wrote:
All I said as you can see above, was to made you realize the diference between a live performance and the dj.
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U mean that when the guy puts a CD in a CDJ it's not live-act ??
Hahhhaaaaaa, that changes everything then.. 
Eh ehmm.. sorry sorry now I'm teasing you.. But anyways thank you very much Daniel, it's now about 9 years I know the difference between a live-act and a deejay set..
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On 2005-08-25 19:23, daniel duarte wrote:
I just pointed the fact that there is a big diference in playing tracks and making them.
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Yes.. ok ok but ehm, playing them live or spinning the records ??
I think I'm lost now..
All I know is that..
Sun Project live : bravo
C.O.N. Sequencer live : bravo
X-Dream/Delta live : bravo
Midi Miliz live : bravo
Haldolium live : bravo
Son Kite live : bravo
Red Seal live : bravo
Gaudi live : bravo
WaterJuice live : bravo
Der Dritte Raum live : bravo (!!!)
Earth Nation live : bravo
Anthony Rother live : bravo (clap clap clap)
Ganga Giri live : bravo
Star Sound Orchestra live : bravo
PsySex live : bravo
Abe Duque live : bravo (!!!)
and all the other live-acts that use anything else than a simple mouse-down on the "play" button :
BRAVO
All the rest : Dj-set would be better dudes, but.. Can you Dj ? 
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LeZuXxX
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 19:40
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id rather to listen a good DJ than most live acts uve seen. Besides, wats a live act? The last 2 albums played live? Well, much better to listen 30 trax from a fine DJ!!! Especially fullon live acts n dj sets!!! |
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zafer
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 19:50
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according to daniel duarte a dj'set becomes a live act if the performer is playing his own tracks, something i miss here.....
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Dot Kite
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 20:03
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On 2005-08-25 19:50, zafer wrote:
according to daniel duarte a dj'set becomes a live act if the performer is playing his own tracks, something i miss here.....
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Well, daniel duarte has a point over here...
Actually a DJ set nowdays is even more difficult, because you still have to do a live mix...instead in a Live P.A. you can program and arrange everything before and just sit back while your "cool" powerbook is doing everything....
have fun
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filter
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 21:46
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this thing developed into a liveact/dj issue, but i wont say a thing about that
but im worried about something else
it is strange that in psychedelic trance, where egoes should not matter, that people want to "see the creator"...
for me the creator is just a person who channeled energy into a work of art. but the feelings and images you get when listening to a track, do not have anything to do with the person who created them!! artists do not "own" their tracks! its just energy being channeled and the only thing you can do with that is multiply it! reducing it to a person its the worst thing you can do!. it does not matter who made the track, what matters is that the track exists and it will continue to exist and other people will hear it and enjoy it.
when i listen to shpongle, i dont think or analyze or even remember that simon did it, i just enjoy the feelings and images i get with the sounds, that should be it! but instead people seem to reduce the music to the person, as if only that person could create such things, and they put him in a godlike status that has nothing to do with the creation process.
i dont know about you, but i fucking hate when people are only staring at the band in awe like groupies used to do with rock stars. for me it would be even better if there were no lights in the stage and only music came out, and perhaps maybe the people would look at each other and actually communicate, instead of "worshipping" the djs or live act.
in a genre of music such as psychedelic trance, where there are no words, no personalities, no egoes, no division between you and everything surrounding you, it makes no sense at all that people care about the creator.
as someone pointed above, i dont care if the guy who did the tracks is thin, small, handsome or a midget that works in a circus! i just care about the music and the inspiration i get from it, to make tracks, to live a happy life, etc, etc. maybe the music is great and the creator is an absolute asshole (this happens often in all types of music) or maybe on the contrary the guy is great and his music sucks haha .
anyways, please stop reducing psychedelic trance to persons, the whole idea is to destroy this capitalist subjectivity!!! fuck rockstardom!!! fuck groupies!!!
live in peace, in touch with nature/cosmos, remember all that shit? goa and all that ? there was a truth behind all that, a need of freedom in a world that turns the back to all people who dare to dream!!
well i got caught up in the hippie speech, but i hope you know what i mean
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daniel duarte
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Posted : Aug 26, 2005 02:09
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No filter, its not about the person itself.. but what it represents.. otherwise, why would we need djs there? Just send the damn set recorded and play it.. it would pretty much be the same if, as you put it, we would only concern about the music.
I dont mean it in a capitalist or fashionable way, never. Dont mix things up. What was being discussed here was the value of a poor live act compared to a dj set.. All I said was that before that live performance, no matter how it was presented, there was a creation and alot of work envolved. |
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gaspard
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Posted : Aug 26, 2005 02:43
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On 2005-08-25 21:46, filter wrote:
i dont know about you, but i fucking hate when people are only staring at the band in awe like groupies used to do with rock stars. for me it would be even better if there were no lights in the stage and only music came out, and perhaps maybe the people would look at each other and actually communicate, instead of "worshipping" the djs or live act.
in a genre of music such as psychedelic trance, where there are no words, no personalities, no egoes, no division between you and everything surrounding you, it makes no sense at all that people care about the creator.
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absolutely agree with you there. i used to really enjoy my first parties where people would be dancing all facing different directions. now everybody faces the dj or live act. it seems something is lost in as far as comunicating with other people on the dancefloor goes, and its a shame. it really doesnt matter what the artist looks like at all, its the sounds he is creating/mixing that are important.
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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