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llazi
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Posted : May 31, 2003 11:33
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First:
I've send a message to Son Kite a while ago and i didn't got any answer so i'll throw it here.
Hi there. First I want to tell you that i admire your work. Digital Structures has become my absolute favorite label.
Now I had an idea and thought i'd share it.
How about creating a sort of Digital Structure Club where people can be members.
Every memeber can then directly buy the latest releases from you.
Even further, cosidering the problems in distribution and the high bank transfer cost in various countries, most of the east block like mine, it would be easier if every member can pay you like 100 USD from the start and then every time you got a release they have pre*paid it.
Your label and the members can financially benefit. You got a boost from the start and I don't have to pay the bank tax every time.
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I'm aware of the problems that mp3 is causing to psytrance and I think the best solution is not fighting the mp3-mafia but considering mp3 as part of us all. My idea is creating a sort of mp3.com only for psytrance where you can download all the latest releases for a fair price. That would deffinitivly push the illegal mp3 away caus the web site would offer a much easy and fast way to download then all other file sharing programs do.
I don't want to get to deep into details but that's the gerenal idea.
Tell me what u think
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Anak
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Posted : May 31, 2003 12:01
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well, i like the first idea. lets say always three - five labels make a club together. u could get member and pay for membership every month. and then u get new releases without paying for them, only with the membership fee. this could also work to drop the price down.
the second one was heavily discussed. and its not a good idea imo. downloaders and traders still would prefer to get the music for free. three dollars are still more than 0 dollars. i never would buy for mp3, because of the crappy quali, no booklet etc....i just love original disc. i couldnt live without em.
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : May 31, 2003 14:39
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exactly.
the first idea is pretty good. there are some labels that imo can't release something bad. so a membership thing is ideal.
about the mp3s, it might be good for dj's because they don't care about the booklet and cover, the cd goes straight to the cd case. but when i pay for my music, i want it to look good too 
i would prefer downloading for free, than paying for the same thing. even if it means the artists is being fucked.
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llazi
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Posted : Jun 1, 2003 00:36
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About the second suggestion.
I'm not talking about releasing only mp3. The CD schould and will go on.
But if you can get legal mp3's, that would be great caus there are many releases that i would download for a fair price rather then buy the full cd price.
It's harder then it seems to get illegal mp3 around, and i'm sure the many people would prefer dowloading legal mp3 anytime they want rather then hanging around for days in the net to find it the illegal way.
If it's not gonna stop the illegal mp3 i'm sure that it's gonna reward the artists in a way they didn't yet.
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TiMMY
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Posted : Jun 1, 2003 00:44
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The first idea is excellent.
I'll be willing to pay some good bucks for a membership in such a club. |
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Jun 1, 2003 00:56
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On 2003-06-01 00:36, llazi wrote:
About the second suggestion.
I'm not talking about releasing only mp3. The CD schould and will go on.
But if you can get legal mp3's, that would be great caus there are many releases that i would download for a fair price rather then buy the full cd price.
It's harder then it seems to get illegal mp3 around, and i'm sure the many people would prefer dowloading legal mp3 anytime they want rather then hanging around for days in the net to find it the illegal way.
If it's not gonna stop the illegal mp3 i'm sure that it's gonna reward the artists in a way they didn't yet.
peace out.
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of course original cd's will stay, i didn't think otherwise. but i said that i would never download legal mp3. if i already spent money on it, i want it real
anyhow, that's just the way i feel. and this mp3 thing is what we should labels try.
but for other people, not me
and getting illegal mp3 is real easy i, can teach you if you want 
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krelm
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Posted : Jun 2, 2003 00:47
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I will echo the sentiments on the first idea. Great idea, and I would definitely subscribe to such a thing from several labels who I find myself buying practically every release.
It is actually something I have seen quite often done with breaks and house-oriented labels, although more often with promos. The buyer pays a certain amount up front for the next X releases (usually 5 or 10), then they have them shipped to them whenever they are available.
The only drawback is that it is a lot of work for the labels, and many labels in the psy scene don't have the resources to have somebody ship so many vinyls and CDs out in a timely fasion.
Although I guess if several labels pooled together as suggested by Anakoluth, it might be a bit easier....
Any label people on here care to comment on this concept (positively or negatively)??
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Jun 2, 2003 09:56
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btw, these are not problems. they are solutions
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Mike A
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Posted : Jun 2, 2003 10:53
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About the first, I would not register to such a club, simply because I'm not buying that much albums. I buy here and there, but not from the same label. I just buy whatever is in stock & cheap, and i've read good reviews on it.
About the second suggestion, as far as I remember, an attempt to do so has failed in the past (anyone remembers 140bpm.com?). Why pay for mp3 when you can get exactly the same for free? We're not talking about download mp3 instead of buying cd's, we're talking about buying mp3 intead of downloading mp3. Come on..
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llazi
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Posted : Jun 5, 2003 16:42
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Hmm.
8 reply's and none from a label.
Seems that everyone is more intersted in blaming the mp3 dowloaders rather then contributing in solutions like this.
keep it on then. 
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yossi
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Posted : Jun 5, 2003 17:44
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i just do see ppl paying for mp3.
no way...
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Namhaj
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Posted : Jun 6, 2003 04:00
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1st idea sounds good if you only buy from certain labels, but if you dont and want releases from several labels it wont work, unless these several labels work together somehow... nice idea but there really needs to be a central hub for this to work, cos personally i dont just buy from one label. I think your on the right track with this idea.
2nd idea.... selling mp3 is like trying to sell air, why buy it when you can get it for free? you might sell 1 or 2 mp3's a month to people who actually care about the artists, but thats about it.
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On 2003-06-05 16:42, llazi wrote:
Hmm.
8 reply's and none from a label.
Seems that everyone is more intersted in blaming the mp3 dowloaders rather then contributing in solutions like this.
keep it on then.
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Solutions can only be reached when the problem is thouroughly understood.... Im a label, happy now?
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llazi
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Posted : Jun 7, 2003 12:53
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Well, u've got your reason but if I was a label I would try out every possibility availble.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Jun 7, 2003 14:06
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and if I was a consumer I would shapen up my act and but the music!!!!!!
Ilazi I know your suggestions are meant well but they are just not realistic mate.....
Who are we kidding? No matter what club or fancy solution we make people will still download and copy CD's as long as they can get the music for free... IF a downlaod cost 1 US Dollar they would still prefer to download it for free... Why?
Because downloading mp3's is like a drug for people...... or sickness.... Just like some people suffer from Ludomania........
So whatever solution we come up with - unless it's a super smart "not yet" invented security solution - it simply wont do the trick....... People need a wake up call..... How? I suggest that every artist / band keep his / her / their music to themselves 100% and only use it for live and DJ... This way no one will be able to steal the music and the music would be unique to that DJ set.... It's actually working out quite good for some artists right now....... But of course I am not so naive that I knwo that the artists wont do it... But if it was done by most artists then I am sure people would start to think when they suddently could not gte their hands on any new music.....!!!
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Jun 7, 2003 15:13
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what good does it make when you're not releasing?
ok, people can't steal your music, but other people can't buy it either so you're not making any money.
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