reignthruacid
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Posted : Apr 18, 2010 06:26:33
Yo, I've been experimenting with different drum rhythms to get different feels and accent the pace of the tracks.
i've tried doing more progressive rhythms, such as the usual beats from popular progressive trance and what not. or something more house-like, etc. but those sound a bit odd at a bpm of 155. Perhaps it's easier to just do the simple 4/4 kick rythm that is nothing but kick, no snare or toms. maybe a hi-hat/crash here and there. i assumed it's easier to mix tracks with a simpler rhythm.
I dunno, i'm sure some of you have done the same. any comments?
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Posted : Apr 18, 2010 19:50
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Posted : Apr 18, 2010 21:44
thinking in the answer you wanna hear..!!!
skills mixing it's more about mixing rythm. complicated and so siples rithm and beats.! however the beat are difernets for each genere of style of music!
I think that drum patterns and percussions are VERY important parts of any track. They can make minimalistic track sound alive, or turn poor idea into a cool trick.
While making tunes as Overdream (night psy) i love to make quite complicated rhythm patterns. I don't really love 1 silly open hat +1 closed one to rock through the track. I love to add percussion loops or one shots, pan hats, apply Enigma-styled effects to them, add chorus with long feedback to snare. Meanwhile, I don't pretend I'm a genius drummer/percussionist, so my patterns still sound quite limited and quite dead. I still have plenty of work and learning ahead.
As for the mixing, well, i don't think mixing drums is more difficult then mixing anything else. It has its own tips, tricks and hidden stones, but the result is always worth the effort. So my advice is to learn drum sequencing, listen to more natural acoustic drums, learn from masters and experiment.
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Posted : Apr 20, 2010 14:09
There is a cool track where Goa Gill takes a djembe pattern to begin and evovles it into a trance song.
On a drum what we are now listening to, is what a child would play, we need to evolve our drumming patterns to that of shamans, listen to Hilight Tribe playing and see if you can incorporate patterns like it.
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Posted : Apr 21, 2010 08:04
ah interesting, yeah for a while i've been exploring different rhythms here and there, incorporating them into my production. Since i come from being in a hardcore punk band for a while, there is one rhythm pattern that i'm very fond of called the "d-beat" pattern. It was inspired by an 80s band called Discharge and many other bands began to incorporate it, especially Thrash metal.
I've tried including it into a psytrance track, but it doesn't really work and it seems more atuned for jungle or some kind of hardcore. lol
Wizanda- I agree, the 4/4 beat is great and fun, but it's still nice to see some interesting different things. The djembe pattern is mad cool, i gotta get me one of those drums haha.
woah dude, I already like them alot! THANKS!
makus- I'd like to hear some examples, curious in how you play around with your rhythms. how about some punk rhythms? lol
wizanda
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Posted : Apr 21, 2010 14:25
The thing noticed with trying to mix rhythms, isn't the patterns, yet the foundations its placed on.
Part of psychedelic trance is to cause that state, which seems to require an oscillation between the bass and kick, to cause the trance state. The other parts can be played with, so try the d-beat on top of the established kick and see what works. www.wizanda.comwww.soundcloud.com/wizanda
Maine Coon
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Posted : Apr 21, 2010 17:18
Suomi artists vary their rhythm section quite a bit. Sometimes, quite radically. As I mentioned elsewhere, the tracks on "Different Path" have only short stretches of the standard 4/4 pattern, they are full of breaks, switches and stutters. But then again - this is one of the reasons I believe "Different Path" is no longer psy trance. Still psy - just not trance.
I personally find the idea of using drums instead of bass interesting. Maybe not at 180 BPM, though. But then, at 180 BPM it does not really matter what your 16ths are made of anyway.
aciduss
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Posted : Apr 21, 2010 18:36
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Suomi artists vary their rhythm section quite a bit. Sometimes, quite radically.
Can you mention a couple of "Suomi" artists please?
Also to Overdream... what does "Enigma-styled" mean?
Here is a very short list of things I’ve heard so far (in that order):
Calamar Audio – Squid Liquid
Ozmali – Forest Fusion
Puoskari – Different Path
Luomuhappo – Borealophitecus
So far, I like “Different Path” most. To me it also sounds the least trance-ish. Those two things are probably unrelated
For the PC police out there: by “Suomi” I meant style, not ethnicity or citizenship.
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Posted : Apr 21, 2010 21:57
Oh thanks a lot... is just that i don't read much of other isratrance sections besides music production.
