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Xolvexs
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Posted : Oct 15, 2010 16:45
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Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder or HPPD is a disorder characterized by a continual presence of visual disturbances that are reminiscent of those generated by the ingestion of hallucinogenic substances. Previous use of hallucinogens by the person is needed, though not sufficient, for diagnosing someone with the disorder. For an individual to be diagnosed with HPPD, the symptoms cannot be due to another medical condition. HPPD is distinct from flashbacks by reason of its relative permanence; while flashbacks are transient, HPPD is persistent
There are a number of perceptual changes that can accompany HPPD. Typical symptoms of the disorder include: halos or auras surrounding objects, trails following objects in motion, difficulty distinguishing between colors, apparent shifts in the hue of a given item, the illusion of movement in a static setting, air assuming a grainy or textured quality (visual snow or static, by popular description), distortions in the dimensions of a perceived object, and a heightened awareness of floaters. The visual alterations experienced by those with HPPD are not homogeneous and there appear to be individual differences in both the number and intensity of symptoms.
Visual aberrations can occur periodically in healthy individuals – e.g. afterimages after staring at a light, noticing floaters inside the eye, or seeing specks of light in a darkened room. However, in people with HPPD, symptoms are typically so severe that the individual cannot ignore them and HPPD is associated with new visual disturbances. It does not appear to merely increase those already in existence.
It also should be noted that the visuals do not constitute true hallucinations in the clinical sense of the word; people with HPPD recognize the visuals to be illusory, or pseudohallucinations, and thus demonstrate no inability to determine what is real (in contrast to, e.g., Schizophrenia).
It is possible the prevalence of HPPD has been underestimated by authorities because many people with visual problems relating to drug use either do not seek treatment or, when they do seek treatment, do not admit to having used illicit drugs. In the sample of Baggott, only 16 of the 107 people with possible HPPD had sought help and two of these people had been diagnosed with HPPD. Thus, it may be that HPPD occurs more often than is detected by the health care system.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Oct 16, 2010 06:56
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these guys are making everything into a disorder..next..TTHJK -Typing Too Hard Jams Keyboard Disorder
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fruitopia
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Posted : Oct 16, 2010 19:06
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halos or auras surrounding objects, trails following objects in motion, difficulty distinguishing between colors, apparent shifts in the hue of a given item, the illusion of movement in a static setting, air assuming a grainy or textured quality (visual snow or static, by popular description), distortions in the dimensions of a perceived object, and a heightened awareness of floaters.
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Wizack Twizack
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Posted : Oct 16, 2010 22:04
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 17, 2010 01:48
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On 2010-09-30 01:10, braininavat wrote:
Psychology is a fake subject...I have a worthless masters in it..I suppose not totally worthless as it pays my bills but intellectually worthless..total joke and waste of time..Better of reading fiction.
If I was 18 I would study stochastic process and apply it to the human mind...
It is rather obvious...
Same feeling as being a doctor in the middle ages and bleeding people..You know it is doing jack fucking shit...
My day is spent listening to people that I pretend to help who are so beyond fucked...
If you enjoy watching Requiem For a Dream on loop then do it....
I know what you are thinking..going to "figure out the mind" ehh?
Figuring out the ocean of randomness doesn't pay your bills....there is nothing to figure out..its random..
like I said, study stochastic process...
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LOL I'm glad I'm not paying out the ass for a doctor with an outlook like yours...
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Oct 17, 2010 08:07
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On 2010-10-16 22:04, Wizack Twizack wrote:
i knew a person with hppd. Doesn't looks to be that good to suffer from.
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sometimes your told your suffering
but if your instead told how to use
that suffering as an advantage, you can
do amazing things with it..the problem
with most psychotherapists is that they
focus on the suffering element and try to
eliminate that part, as a consequence it ends up causing anxiety and traumatic situation..instead using the symptoms like seeing excessive colors etc and utilising them in various art forms or using it to enhance a career could be beneficial. same goes with schizophrenia --you maybe talking to yourself and stuff like that but if you can use that self chatter to write you end up with some amazing scripts..or songs..sedation or mood lifting is the only solution they provide currently..either you fit in or you get institutionalized..there is no way to channelize the psychosis..of course there is ..
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fruitopia
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Posted : Oct 19, 2010 00:53
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On 2010-10-16 22:04, Wizack Twizack wrote:
i knew a person with hppd. Doesn't looks to be that good to suffer from.
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yea it is a bad problem, first reaction can be stupid sometimes.. |
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rich
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Posted : Oct 19, 2010 18:52
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For those of you interested in further discussion about relationships with others and ourselves, please suggest to the isra staff in this thread: http://forum.isratrance.com/section-suggestion-our-relationships/ to open a section for it, or suggest the appropriate existing section for it. I know some of us would like to share or seek advice on human relationships and interaction.
Thanks
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lucidpicnic
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Posted : Oct 20, 2010 19:09
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On 2010-09-30 01:10, braininavat wrote:
Psychology is a fake subject...I have a worthless masters in it..I suppose not totally worthless as it pays my bills but intellectually worthless..total joke and waste of time..Better of reading fiction.
If I was 18 I would study stochastic process and apply it to the human mind...
It is rather obvious...
Same feeling as being a doctor in the middle ages and bleeding people..You know it is doing jack fucking shit...
My day is spent listening to people that I pretend to help who are so beyond fucked...
If you enjoy watching Requiem For a Dream on loop then do it....
I know what you are thinking..going to "figure out the mind" ehh?
Figuring out the ocean of randomness doesn't pay your bills....there is nothing to figure out..its random..
like I said, study stochastic process...
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seriously, this is the most idiotic post i've read in a while.
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Colin OOOD
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Fometrius
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I think psytrance is very linked to the psychology realm since its about exploring and expanding the mind in many ways, wheather we like it or not trance likes states open up the inner realms in a way that usual music does not. Myself i find psychology very interesting. I am a big fan of Carl Jung. I think Freud and many others has a very mechanical view on the human being.
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randulon
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Posted : Feb 9, 2012 11:27
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On 2012-02-07 02:44, Fometrius wrote:
I think psytrance is very linked to the psychology realm since its about exploring and expanding the mind in many ways, wheather we like it or not trance likes states open up the inner realms in a way that usual music does not. Myself i find psychology very interesting. I am a big fan of Carl Jung. I think Freud and many others has a very mechanical view on the human being.
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Poppycock! Trance music might open up some people's "inner realms", primarily because they like it and additionally because of the drugs they may have ingested. However to someone who doesn't like trance music it probably has the opposite effect and would probably be no more than an annoyance.
If you could argue that music has the power to open people's so called "inner realms" at all then it will only be with music they love and can lose themselves in...be it classical, gabber, drum'n'bass or God forbid Celine Dion or any other genre you care to name...
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Fometrius
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Posted : Feb 9, 2012 13:31
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On 2012-02-07 02:44, Fometrius wrote:
I think psytrance is very linked to the psychology realm since its about exploring and expanding the mind in many ways, wheather we like it or not trance likes states open up the inner realms in a way that usual music does not. Myself i find psychology very interesting. I am a big fan of Carl Jung. I think Freud and many others has a very mechanical view on the human being.
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Poppycock! Trance music might open up some people's "inner realms", primarily because they like it and additionally because of the drugs they may have ingested. However to someone who doesn't like trance music it probably has the opposite effect and would probably be no more than an annoyance.
If you could argue that music has the power to open people's so called "inner realms" at all then it will only be with music they love and can lose themselves in...be it classical, gabber, drum'n'bass or God forbid Celine Dion or any other genre you care to name...
It seems pretty juvenile to attach such subjective opinions in so empirical a tone to a music genre...
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Nonsense , there is a reason why shamans all over the world use and have used a monotone drum beat to get in the trancestate, it effects us in a certain way that other music does not.
"Rhythmic induction: The usage of repetitive rhythms to induce trance states is an ancient phenomenon. Throughout the world, shamanistic practitioners have been employing this method for millennia. Anthropologists and other researchers have documented the similarity of shamanistic auditory driving rituals among different cultures.
Said simply, entrainment is the synchronization of different rhythmic cycles. Breathing and heart rate have been shown to be affected by auditory stimulus, along with brainwave activity. The ability of rhythmic sound to affect human brainwave activity, especially theta brainwaves, is the essence of auditory driving, and is the cause of the altered states of consciousness that it can induce.
The music genre of Trance music is supposed to have the same effect on the human mind as military drums, causing listeners to dance in unison with simple movements including head bobs, light bouncing/jumping and humming."
Off course it does not automatically mean that everyone that listen to trance or have a drum journey gets in to a trance state but if they want to get into that state and sincerely tries to , the music can be helpful in a way that other music cannot be.
I am not talking about taste or what one thinks sounds good, thats another question, this is about the state of trance.
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randulon
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Posted : Feb 9, 2012 21:09
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So could techno music not have the same effect bearing in mind it has a very similar beat?
And shamans don't just use monotone drum beats to go into a trance, I believe singing is also widely used...
Not to mention the polyrhythms used by sufi mystics, for example, to attain higher states of consciousness...
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Fometrius
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Posted : Feb 10, 2012 01:57
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Yes, techno music, since it got the same kick drum principle as psytrance but with a little lower BPM can have a similiar effect. And yes of course the sounds matter but the kickdrum in a certain bpm triggers the mind in a special way, that`s why there is things called " drum journeys" etc since ancient time.
And yes you can attain higher states of consciousness and reach meditative states etc without the drum principle, however they are an excellent trigger for the trance state.
Listening to just moving water , long hypnotizing pads, mantras , esoteric singing etc can of course effect your psyche in a certain way.
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