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vally


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Posted : Nov 4, 2006 17:28
yes of course we could use all the bravous of the a world in one party in order to 'DISSAPEAR'THE "bad" people who annoy some of you for some reasons

          liquid style dancers
vally


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DETOX
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Posted : Nov 4, 2006 19:18
You guys tottally missed my point,i was not referring to security or bouncers at all,i doubt that security can save you from authority problems.

Now playing Wizzy Noise-Yakuza           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
dreamowner


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Posted : Nov 4, 2006 20:58
psyacoustics:my favourite artists are delta,kox box,transwave,mwnn,x dream,juno reactor,total eclipse,filteria,parasense,penta,kidzadza,silicon sound and more and more and more...and unfortunately i cant found chessy parties as you said cause some guys brings scorbs...if you want i can play in your next party the music style i like...what you think???

mindphazer didnt play lol dont tell lies!!!

anyway man i said my opinion about the party dont be agressive
Psyacoustics
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Posted : Nov 7, 2006 03:01
Hi everyone...
We can see that there are a lot of open subjects to discuss here, excuse us for the delay but we are working people and unfortunately we have
Limited time for internet issues
Anyway....
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ead all my posts first..
F.F.S. what r u talking about misinform.. if we cant express our thoughts about something then what... i didnt said something like that, if u cant accept a bad critisism about your party then its ok..


Dimension we don't really have any problem with bad criticism, in a contrary way
it makes us improve the organization of the next event.
Our objection to you is very specific
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On 2006-10-29 05:40, dimension wrote:
.. why this? this isn't the first time u make party in there and every time the same story..


it's not the same story every time the sound wasn't enough only in this event
just want you to know that we pay attention at the sound, the primal guest and the music quality(fuck mp3's).the fact that we didn't have loud
sound system was a bad surprise for us since we paid a lot of money for it.
Anyway no hard feelings.
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On 2006-11-04 20:58, dreamowner wrote:
psyacoustics:my favourite artists are delta,kox box,transwave,mwnn,x dream,juno reactor,total eclipse,filteria,parasense,penta,kidzadza,silicon sound and more and more and more...and unfortunately i cant found chessy parties as you said cause some guys brings scorbs...if you want i can play in your next party the music style i like...what you think???

mindphazer didnt play lol dont tell lies!!!

anyway man i said my opinion about the party dont be agressive



dreamowner:1st of all we are not aggressive...and i am happy to introduce myself to you.My name is Iraklis i played 2-4 and my name is referred
as Iraklis(psyacoustics)nothing to do with Iraklis from natural high crew.
ok about music koxbox cristof and x-dream are artists that keep the music we like in progress in a different style each one of them.Frank'e
played in one of our events some months ago and his music was incredible(check his new album)
About playing in a psyacoustics party all you have to do is make demo mix of your music and send it to us...we stay out from cheesy full-on
retro sound music and meaningless darksound..and of course mp3 formats.

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On 2006-11-03 01:27, DETOX wrote:
First of all thanks in advance for allowing me to express my opinion in a forum that i am part of for more than 7 years, I appreciate
that. Secondly i expressed my opinion (better to pay an entrance fee and hear good music than going to a free party and hearing shit music on
a shitty sound system that is) based on Dreamowners words not because this statement is in favor of my interests whatever these might be
according to your implications (after all i have helped in couple of free parties myself in the past without making any money at all and also
i have organized entrance fee parties the same date with other free parties and never had any problem with the attendance in my events, quite
the opposite i would say) but i shared my opinion with you simply because i believe in it especially since for the last two years free
parties seem to be the new trend in town with everybody organizing one here and then with mostly the very same people playing music in them
and the same shitty sound systems and fight problems all around the universities.



Detox ..of course you can express your opinion freely our objection is that you Wright in this topic because you found the chance to promote
you and your product (clubby commercial psytrance parties) and it's not the 1st time. Actually we haven't seen you writing anything
positive about any other free or not free event organized by other persons(except some friends of yours) and
we have seen you at none of our parties. But you wrote in this topic without being in the party because someone said something, grabbing the
opportunity to defame the free events, roughly speaking about shity sound system and shity music, without basically establish that by paying an
entrance fee the music and the sound will be better.

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On 2006-11-03 01:27, DETOX wrote:
To sum it up i doubt that all these free parties offer something positive to the psy trance
scene, quite the opposite i would say for most of them, you see organizing a successful
and meaningful free party a big amount of money,volunteers,effort and time are needed that
very few people/organizations can offer in our city.



No detox,free parties as the club parties can offer to the psychedelic scene in fact more parties
more choices for amusement and recreation. But free parties and you must admit that can offer an underground tone to the scene opportunity for
more people(with low competency)to come and dance because everybody has the right to party. Finally problems with cops doesn't exist which is
very important and you know that better(we were all waiting for Tristan)

Psyacoustics
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Posted : Nov 7, 2006 03:02
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On 2006-11-03 01:27, DETOX wrote:
In my humble opinion the majority of these free parties take place just for the organizers and their friends to play music in them and have fun while being on decks and feel a little bit like real artists and djs feel while touring the world. Not to mention that organizing a free party means much less risk than organizing a club party with international names, you organized couple of club parties lately (one with Franke
from Koxbox if i remember correctly) and i bet that you know what i mean based on the outcome of these parties due to the lack of attendance that you had.Thats just me and my opinion though.



In this point we partly discord: If you take a look to these 4 psyacoustics events that have taken place you will understand our line.
the line up is completely different for each one of it because we really agree with you that it is monotonic for the crowd and selfish for the dj to play always. The only person that played in the 3 of 4 our parties is Nikitas who is part of another team(because we believe that
he's an excellent dj).The last thing we want to do is to promote ourselves as dj's.

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On 2006-11-03 01:27, DETOX wrote:
Ehm can you spot a big contradiction here?I mean you said that you have paid MANY MANY times in my parties but you can HARDLY remember when you really had a good time in them with nice music and positive vibes.When i ordered from Pizza Hut the very first time i was very disappointed but ok i said to my self that bad things happen from time to time so i ordered the week after hoping for something better, after all Pizza Hut is a famous brand name in the pizza industry, but again i was disappointed with the food. Although i had a two times bad experience i decided to order once more from Pizza Hut a month after but things didn’t change and i was again very dissapointed.You know what
i did then?I just got rid of the Pizza Hut menu and never ordered a thing from them. Coming back to your words you said that you have paid many many times in my events but you very rarely had a good time in them, sorry to ask you but are you a masoschist or something?Either that
or you are a liar....




Very interesting example this one with pizza hut although i prefer the pizza of my neighborhood cause it's cheaper and tastier.
Fortunately there many pizza restaurants and i have the choice to choose what is best for my tonge.what we want to say is that Greece is not like for example England or other countries where every weekend a lot more than 1 parties are taking place and people can choose where to party. For many years now we didn't have that choice. The point is that you can see yourself in your own example and we can see it also.Pizzahut vs free parties lol.Detox we are musiclovers we travel to festivals every year and we have our opinion about music. we are also musicians and music is our life and a way of living and we can not partying. That was the reason why we kept on coming to your events hoping for something better (you can call it masochism).But hearing dado with psaras playing discoshit psytrance with a bad sound system, hearing "artists» like eskimo,ans,astrix and music from residents dj's of your crew with cheesy sound and laptop mp3 mixing we couldn't stand it no more...and as other reality said:» But if a party costs 35 euros to enter, 6 euros for a beer, 5euros for the wardrobe, 3 euros for a bottle of water, and no air to breathe, shitty toilets and a POLICE STATE ATMOSPHERE
(and we add here beating robbing and throwing out of the club persons for ridiculous reasons)from the door you enter until the way to take your piss, then sorry, i Totally prefer the junkies, the 2 eur beer and the open air bliss...".Where the f*ck is the quality?
Anyway what we want to say is not that we are against club parties and entrance fee when they are good organized with friendly atmosphere good music and a normal damage at the door.

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On 2006-11-03 01:27, DETOX wrote:
For sure entrance fee doesn’t necessary mean good music...
...not to mention that less and less people go to parties every year meaning that there are less tickets at every party as time passes by.




Finally we agree in something,it's not possible to disagree in everything and here you have a point. you said that less and less people go to parties and we say that they have their reasons(some of them have already mentioned in this post)which you have to think about as a promoter.
anyway are looking forward to the party with cpu (in which if we are not mistaken you are involved)He is a good artist and especially when he is djing he knows how to
bring a party in a good mood.
Good luck with this one.
DETOX
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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 01:04
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On 2006-11-07 03:01, Psyacoustics wrote:
Detox ..of course you can express your opinion freely our objection is that you Wright in this topic because you found the chance to promote
you and your product (clubby commercial psytrance parties) and it's not the 1st time. Actually we haven't seen you writing anything
positive about any other free or not free event organized by other persons(except some friends of yours) and
we have seen you at none of our parties. But you wrote in this topic without being in the party because someone said something, grabbing the
opportunity to defame the free events, roughly speaking about shity sound system and shity music, without basically establish that by paying an
entrance fee the music and the sound will be better.



Trust me mate i dont need to promote anything from this topic or forum,people more or less know who i am just like they know every other organiser in town and they know what kind of events i organise,what kind of music i like and the way i operate.And actually you havent seen me writing good comments ABOUT EVERY party that takes place in the country just like the majority of people are doing in this forum,a party is posted and everyone pops up to say good luck this and good luck that and its going to blast and amazing this and that and whatever.Me i comment and show my support only in events i feel that i have to.I showed my support when Void Network wanted to book Electric Universe and Man With No Name (even though in the second party i couldnt help as much as i wanted),i showed my support when Haris from IT Records booked Zen Lemonade in Athens,i showed my support in many events organised by Iraklis Mindphaser,i showed my support when Nick Moonsun invited Ticon and Tegma in Athens recently,i showed my support in various events organised by Nikos Liquid Love in the past,i showed my support when i helped in some events organised by Oktava Records at Vox Club couple of years ago,i show my support ofcourse to my great friend Thanasis from Harmonia Records and i have even showed my support to Thesaloniki organisations during various times by doing many things for many of them and helping when that was possible,these and many others i have supported in the past and some times i even supported people who didnt deserve my support at all like some bastards who organised the Kaiafas Festival and cost me a fortune in money and reputation.The fact that i dont wish good luck to every event that Iraklis Mindphaser in Athens or Eternal Motion in Thesaloniki organise then this doesnt mean that i dont support them that i am not willing to help them,for me support is actions and not words and i guess very few people can doubt my actions in this forum and in the greek scene in general for the last 5 years at least.If you want me to turn like those Israeli guys that wish luck to every party on this forum from any country just to be noticed by other people then sorry but i wont do that,actions speak louder than words and i am a man of actions.

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On 2006-11-07 03:02, Psyacoustics wrote:
No detox,free parties as the club parties can offer to the psychedelic scene in fact more parties
more choices for amusement and recreation. But free parties and you must admit that can offer an underground tone to the scene opportunity for
more people(with low competency)to come and dance because everybody has the right to party. Finally problems with cops doesn't exist which is very important and you know that better(we were all waiting for Tristan)



I believe that GOOD FREE PARTIES can offer a lot to the psychedelic trance scene and this means well organised events by people who know what they are doing and in the right time ofcourse,this thing with parties taking place in universities EVERY WEEKEND is a joke in my humble opinion and a degrade for the universities which are transformed into clubs.And yes problems with cops cannot exist there (even though they are debating concerning the future of the asylum but thats another story) but this doesnt mean that everyone can do there whatever he wants just because he can meet some people from the political parties inside the university area and give some pocket money (xartziliki) to the guards.Sorry but this is pure exploitation of the universities for purposes outside their true meaning.You want to organise a free party in the university area against drugs?Do that and i will help you.Want to protest about the political or economical situation in our country?Do a free party and i will support you.Even if i dont aggree with your cause (like the legalisation party that took place recently at the Ipodromos area with which i was against) i will still respect your opinion and the way you choose to demonstrate about it simply because you believe in something and you fight for it BUT i cannot accept every weekend to see parties taking place there just for the fun of it,THAT PLACE IS A UNIVERSITY AND NOT A CLUB.Not to mention about the constant problems with some foreign guys who beat up people and steal their belongings with the rest of the crowd just watching and enjoying the 'show' without doing nothing.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
DETOX
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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 01:04
Quote:

On 2006-11-07 03:02, Psyacoustics wrote:
In this point we partly discord: If you take a look to these 4 psyacoustics events that have taken place you will understand our line.
the line up is completely different for each one of it because we really agree with you that it is monotonic for the crowd and selfish for the dj to play always.The only person that played in the 3 of 4 our parties is Nikitas who is part of another team(because we believe that
he's an excellent dj).The last thing we want to do is to promote ourselves as dj's.



Havent checked this out but ofcourse you dont have to belong to that category of organisers anyway,i still think that the majority does that anyway.

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On 2006-11-07 03:01, Psyacoustics wrote:
Very interesting example this one with pizza hut although i prefer the pizza of my neighborhood cause it's cheaper and tastier.
Fortunately there many pizza restaurants and i have the choice to choose what is best for my tonge.what we want to say is that Greece is not like for example England or other countries where every weekend a lot more than 1 parties are taking place and people can choose where to party. For many years now we didn't have that choice. The point is that you can see yourself in your own example and we can see it also.Pizzahut vs free parties lol.Detox we are musiclovers we travel to festivals every year and we have our opinion about music. we are also musicians and music is our life and a way of living and we can not partying. That was the reason why we kept on coming to your events hoping for something better (you can call it masochism).But hearing dado with psaras playing discoshit psytrance with a bad sound system, hearing "artists» like eskimo,ans,astrix and music from residents dj's of your crew with cheesy sound and laptop mp3 mixing we couldn't stand it no more...and as other reality said:» But if a party costs 35 euros to enter, 6 euros for a beer, 5euros for the wardrobe, 3 euros for a bottle of water, and no air to breathe, shitty toilets and a POLICE STATE ATMOSPHERE
(and we add here beating robbing and throwing out of the club persons for ridiculous reasons)from the door you enter until the way to take your piss, then sorry, i Totally prefer the junkies, the 2 eur beer and the open air bliss...".Where the f*ck is the quality?
Anyway what we want to say is not that we are against club parties and entrance fee when they are good organized with friendly atmosphere good music and a normal damage at the door.



First of all i also prefer the pizza from my neighbourhood but i used Pizza Hut as an example so people could understand what i wanted to say,i didnt used Pizza Hut for any other reason but to be honest my experience with Pizza Hut is true indeed and thats why i never order anything from them anymore for a long long time now.Also i guess we all are more or less musiclovers who travel abroad and within Greece to various parties and who ofcourse have out own opinion about music BUT our difference from what i can understand from your words is that while you cant stop partying and you keep visiting events even if you got the feeling that they will be bad according to your standards me personally i dont visit an event that i feel that hasnt got anything good to offer me,so for example i wont visit a good club to hear shitty music neither i will go to hear a favorite artist of mine in a hole place,maybe i am too selective i dont know.
Two more things to add here.First of all what you call as discoshit psytrance by artists like Dado,Dino,Eskimo,Astrix and whoever else is very good psy trance to some other ears,and probably what you might call as pure psytrance might sound like pure noise to my ears,its a matter of taste i guess although i got to also admit that some of the music played even in my own events is not what i like at all but parties take place mainly for the people to enjoy and not just me and my friends to have fun,if people enjoy Astrix or Eskimo thats fine about me because i also like some of these artists tunes and i am willing to book them,i mean one of my favorite artists is Prometheus but i have never booked him because not many other people seem to like his music so instead of booking someone that people wont come to hear i choose to book someone who i dont like as much as Prometheus for example but i still like some of his tunes and who i know people will support and will have a good time with.Secondly i noticed that you mentioned some names that appeared in parties i was involved just for the last year.I am preety sure that you know that i am organising my events since 2002 and from these events apart the names you mentioned many other and controversial names have also appeared from Parasense and Menog to Sun Project and Texas Faggot and from Spirallianz and Haldolium to Electric Universe and Total Eclipse and Man With No Name that people havent seen for years in our city,I always ask people what they like and most of the bookings are based on their preferences,if people like Astrix and Eskimo more than i dont know Scorb lets say who you booked just recently then i am obliged to fix my line ups according to their taste too BUT always including a little bit of my own preferences and ideas.Ah and last but not least i got no crew especially when it comes to resident djs,i mean in the parties that you mentioned a lot of people played music apart from the 'usual suspects' that you imply including Iraklis Mindphaser,Ion,Pan Papason,Narcosis,Dark Elf and more,but to be honest with you i dont feel that we have a lot of good dj's in our country,i dont think that we got more than 2-3 good djs in Greece,and i mean really good not just people who know how to do some decent mixing and play some unreleased stuff.And before you ask me who is a good dj i will say to you that i consider Doc as one of them from Thesaloniki.

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On 2006-11-07 03:01, Psyacoustics wrote:
Finally we agree in something,it's not possible to disagree in everything and here you have a point. you said that less and less people go to parties and we say that they have their reasons(some of them have already mentioned in this post)which you have to think about as a promoter.
anyway are looking forward to the party with cpu (in which if we are not mistaken you are involved)He is a good artist and especially when he is djing he knows how to bring a party in a good mood.Good luck with this one.



Ofcourse we cant dissagree on everything that would be at least stupid and egoistic for both of us,and its a fact that less and less people go to parties today but from my experience as a promoter when there is a really good party in town then the people honour it with their support.Oh by the way i am not involved at all at the party with CPU and some other artists,Sammy is a nice artist anyway and i like also some of his tunes.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
donald


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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 01:41
detox one thing..
why you try to organige event in university
with 10 or 15€ entrance only for the artist who playing and im sure that a lot of ppl gonna come and not only teens.
i think we can have the same feeling like old days.
DETOX
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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 14:42
Donald i guess your question is why i DONT try to organise an event in the university.

And my answer is that i dont consider universities as a place ideal for organising parties especially with no purpose behind them.Also keep in mind that no entrance fee can take place in any university in the country for obvious reasons.

If i ever decide to be involved in such an event in a university area then this event will be free of entrance and with a serious purpose behind it.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
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