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PSY trance a badly marketed genere??????
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SPY
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 14:29
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Im love the music and i feel its way intelligent than euro trance but i feel psy trance is not marketed well. Look at the earlier labels who definately took it to a level im talking about guys like Transient....also Astral Projection- Dancing Galexy which according to me was the only Psy trance album which got that kinda hype. On the other side the Euro trance. The number 1 dj in the world is a Euro Trance guy ( Tiesto).
What do you guys think. Dont need to know if im right or wrong just wanna know whot you guys think.  )
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omniholic
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 14:35
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well obviously its not marketed as well as the more commercial syles, there is no money to do that you know...back in the days psychedelic trance used top sell more so there was more money for advertising as well. |
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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 16:16
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Its not marketed well at all and thats labels fault mostly.
Promotion is everything and i will tell you a good example,check out Astrix and the promotion that he got from Hommega.The man is good at his style and this was his debut album but Astrix has been a part of the trance scene just for a year or a year and a half.Eyal did an amazing promotion and he sold as many copies as GMS or Tristan i guess that are some of the oldest names in the scene.
I wish all labels worked like this for all of their artists.
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 16:54
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On 2003-01-20 16:16, DETOX wrote:
Astrix has been a part of the trance scene just for a year or a year and a half
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wrong info.
and reason he sold as much as gms (according to your words. im not sure about that, gms at spirit zone sold 15000, but whatever..) is what he make almost same music at not less quality. clone attack !!
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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 18:06
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Zombi when i say trance scene i mean TRANCE SCENE and not Yala Balagan and Karahana scene.
Astrix has been a part of our scene for less than a year and a half.
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 18:33
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On 2003-01-20 18:06, DETOX wrote:
Zombi when i say trance scene i mean TRANCE SCENE and not Yala Balagan and Karahana scene.
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i been at party with astrix, atomic pulse 4 or 5 years before at TRANCE PARTY (definetly psy trance party), and he was definetly part of "scene"  well "space" ..
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i dont know what is going on in greece, but here at 99 nitzhonot nitzhu (won), every party was full of beautiful nitzhonot trance, so..
and one more - TRANCE = KARAHANA. Believe your soul ! |
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Apocalypse Now
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 20:03
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Right now we are all driving down a highway that is being built right in front of our eyes. Some of us go faster then others, some like to chill in the back, cruising at 20 k/m with a big fat joint. Some like to drive like maniacs, honking as they go along, telling everyone to SPEED UP.
Just remember that if you want to get on to the highway, you need to start somewhere, and for me the beginning was the best place. It's very simple driving, a piece of cake, but it gets boring after a while.
The only problem is that there are different, very nice looking highways coming up from all over and they might just all merge into one at the end of the road who knows?
We need to put up some billboards on the other highways telling people that ours is very chill, the best place to be. I am sure that after one "trip" they will agree. Watch out though because we don't want a traffic jam.
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shahar
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 20:18
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Maybe it's not meant to be marketed?
Maybe the basic ingredients are anti-marketing?
Maybe trance culture is just the opposite of consumer culture?
Think about it...
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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 20:54
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Zombi ofcourse i come from the nitchonot scene and i never tried to hide that and i never also tried to pretent that i am deep into the music business like you are saying.I am just saying that Astrix has been a part into the psy trance scene for a very short time (just like i am) and i dont think that anyone can doubt that because the facts speak for their own.
I have known Astrix music for almost 4 years now and only last year he started producing psy music,everything before that was cheesy music that is not anymore my style.
I really dont like your attitude against me and i dont know if i have said or done something wrong,maybe we have to talk about it in personal.
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 21:52
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On 2003-01-20 20:18, shahar wrote:
Maybe it's not meant to be marketed?
Maybe the basic ingredients are anti-marketing?
Maybe trance culture is just the opposite of consumer culture?
Think about it...
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if not, so thats not trance, no ??
indeed.
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SPY
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 22:10
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PEACE PEACE |
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SPY
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 22:11
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Shahar nothing personal man but i dont think i can agree with you on this one. i think the artist put so much of thier time and effort into makin the music so that ppl can hear it, appreciate it, add it to thier collection or whatever they wanna do with it....they spend a lot of money too to buy all that equipment to make all that music that makes you dance in the parties. Theres nothing wrong in promoting something and marketting something my friend.AND PLEASE FOR GOD SAKE this whole "trance Culture" thing man cant belive ur sayin all this. Its music my friend......The Rock "N" Roll sold millions of records so did Metal, Dance/ Club music, Hip Hop, R&B so on and so forth will all the generes......and styles which gets us to PSY TRANCE which is not selling y????? Its not marketed. You tell me that some one like a Infected or a Skazi oe Sphongle wont like thier albums to be promoted and marketed so they sell.....Lets get real here my friend.
I know so many people who hate Infected Mushroom. They say they are too commercialized but hey they are one of the most buzziest and the most expensive guys to book for a live gig. I love thier music, the productiuon is "T.O.P" class.....good to listen to thier stuff. they are just promoted well. Managed well, Marketted well...
The more music they sell the bigger the audience is getting, the audiencegets bigger so does your TRACE CULTURE my friend. I dont think im a guru but i just feel that the psy trance artist guys make incredibly intelligent music its just that the exposure. they deserve it man. Anyaways all the best to the Labels (Specially the one with the bucks) you r the guys who can make it happen All the best in your mission.
P.S- Do you guys think it may be a excercise to keep Psy Trance down just like how the Alcohol Company killed the marijuana market cause its the only thing that would have killed the alcohol market. Think about it..........
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Davolo
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Posted : Jan 21, 2003 09:43
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Spy, I appreciate your view but I gotta pick ya' up on a point..
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On 2003-01-20 22:11, SPY wrote:
P.S- Do you guys think it may be a excercise to keep Psy Trance down just like how the Alcohol Company killed the marijuana market cause its the only thing that would have killed the alcohol market. Think about it..........
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Alcohol didn't try and kill the marijuana market .. racism in the US did ..
In 1917 a marijuana tax was passed and like tobacco you could get a license to grow it..
In the 1920's during prohibition the poorer minorities (lower class) were smoking alot of it .. especially amongst the coloured musicians of New Orleans who played Jazz which were part of the attraction of the town .. the Governor of the time (Downing) found this offensive and complained in writing to whoever would listen .. rather than use race he used drugs as a reason for them to be moved on and the drug outlawed .. Fast forward a few years, the newspapers are now running with the story - it had a reputable man behind it .. and this bright chap is responsible for the statement before the American senate "Marijuana will make your children listen to Jazz" .. Jazz being 'black music' would be a terrible outcome for any rednex spawn..
Then in the 30's a do-gooder who saw the drug horror of the world first hand called Harry Anslinger picks up where other governors started during a time of no alcohol and begins a anti-pot campaign..
At the same time a cotton manufacturer at the time had developed a machine which would process cotton.. even though the hemp machine did pretty much the same thing .. the passing of anti-hemp laws made the cotton the winner even though hemp had the potential for a better product..
The high-moral attitude in the empowered society since then has stuffed it for the rest of us .. there is more to the plant than smoking the stuff which we are more aware of now and still stupidity reigns supreme 'coz 2 people can't get a long ..
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so runnning with that history ..
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I can see a paralell between coloured Jazz musicians and Psy Trance musicians.. and I can see a paralell with the level of harassment between party people and authorities .. like when they use in an authoritive tone 'rave' - why can't they call it a party? Because rave puts the thought of drugs into peoples mind coming from a cop which helps justify their actions..
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All this for PsyTrance? .. I think not ..
If Psy Artists wanted to be marketed like another Pepsi commercial they'd do it ..
In general the entire music industry is suffering .. The sales figures for the top US selling CD's of 2002 is sooo small compared to when the majors were robbing the general public blind ..
The difference is the mainstream market will survive as long as MTV tells people to buy my cool product there be some guy in Bubblef*ck, Nowhere who will ..
With the sales down so low small markets , like PSY, where CD runs are small are suffering and cannot wear the losses.. then on top of that there is the negative authoritive aspect making live performances difficult.. and overkill is a contributing factor for killing a vibe (the whole GMS debate)..
The outcome is many small businesses suffer ..
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shahar
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Posted : Jan 21, 2003 11:56
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The more music they sell the bigger the audience is getting, the audiencegets bigger so does your TRACE CULTURE my friend. |
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Is bigger always better?
And Spy, this is not my trance culture anymore for a long time.
Funny, me and Erez were just talking about this last week. He told me about 5000 ppl huge parties, where everyone comes to huge clubs to hear Infected because it's this big name, but only 100 ppl are really dancing and having a party- the rest are just standing there or hanging around or move their bodies a bit...
So it's excellently marketed- but its not psytrance anymore- and I know what a real trance party is to me. Karahana, togetherness- deep connection between all, ppl and DJ and everybody and everything.
We were talking about people that make music to sell it and with no heart. And that it is well maketed, but totally boring and with no heart and love in it...
Now, you're talking to me about exposure of this music- to me!!!! It's ShivaS and myself (with help of devoted others), to remind you that spend at least about 2 hours everyday for the last 4 years in helping to expose this music to as much people as possible (that counter is reaching a million soon...). But we also do our best that it keeps the spirit and the core of what it was to us and why it got us so nuts about it all- else, what is the point really???
Please Spy, it's very important that you differenciate between making a connection between good things that can react and create something new, and just selling people things without being sure they really need them. The second being the core of the culture that surrounds us these days where you sell everything, including yourself- where a smile is something good because peope will like you and buy from you.
One of the reasons I liked parties so much first when I found them was because ppl would smile to me- not to sell anything- just from the inside!!!
My questions were meant to make you think- did you? or did you just respond from your belly? Think about that.
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SPY
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Posted : Jan 21, 2003 15:19
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Shahar like i sai d no hard fellings brother/sister (dont know the sex) its just a thought exchange excercise that we are carrying on here and i like it since i figure out what beautiful people like you think about it. Im not saying market it like Britney Speres or something just give it a cleaner name. Bit more proffesional. Like i said about the wholeastral projection and transient story. I think you got me wrong.
As for Erez i think hes the most incredible engineer ive seen. You tell me that you were with him and you guys were discussing with him how 100 out of 500 ppl dance in that big party but if you would ask them they would have only one thing to say it was a KILLLLLLLEEEEER P.A.R.T.Y. This is what brings them joy a Huge audience. They dont have to be goin balistic on the dance floor or doin the march past like how see in many israeli parties sometimes it could just be lookin at them. Y do they love going to japan tell me? They get respect like stars. I mean Respect its the belief they have in thier artist. Its like a concert and im sure Erez on the stage with Duvdev will only be getting goose flesh hearing that roar. Correct me if im wrong my friend. Its all about thier work being appreciated cause they put so much effort in it. We just dance it out on the dance floor bein high on alcohol or on some recreational pharmasuiticals. Anyway dint mean to disturb any one with that question of PSY trance being marketed badly i just feel its growing and i hope its in the right hands.
Regarding what you and ShivaS and the team has done i give you guys full credit for that but again thats what you guys wanted to do i guess. But just curious what did you guys do? Im sorry i dont mean to be rude. im just new to this forum....
Hey Davolo thank for that info had no clue about it. Good to know something new thank you my friend ;o)
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