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Progressive Getting Awayzzz

Lithium
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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 15:24
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On 2005-04-21 12:31, The Green Channel

Most of the progressive you hear nowadays isn't psychedelic either, very fluffy (not that it's bad it's just not psychedelic)...




in a way i agree with you mainly because some bands that produced progressive trance some time ago, that were like references like tegma, or sbk, or son kite, or even shiva chandra, now sounds like progressive house, and have lost some of the psychedelia in their tracks and aproched more those typical house sounds (which are not my cup of tea), but anyway i still see good progressive being made, psychedelic progressive, like in some compilation that went out on february i think "V.A- Inteligent Manipulation". this comp is really amazing especially Cujorious One track "95,5 Radio Joint"
Acidhive
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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 16:16
All this bullshit about progressive artists like Son Kite not being "psy" anymore is getting old really fast. We've heard all those arguments before and there are a myriad of topics on this forum already where you can add "your point of view" to the discussion. To me, progressive is all about boundaries and crossing them. Son Kite may sound more "housey" nowadays, but they sound all the better for it. In the end it's about MUSIC and not about being psychedelic. Son Kite's old tracks like for example Knob Adjustment or Deuce are very minimal and maybe that is more like psytrance, but tracks like Massive, On Air and Jukebox for instance are (in my ears) a lot better and there's way more music in there. That's why we see great proggy DJ's like for example Markus Schulz implement these tracks into a set with regular progressive trance made by artists who have nothing in common with the psytrance scene, like Perry O' Neill etc.
And that's where the boundaries and crossing over them comes into view with progressive trance. For progressive it doesn't make a difference if one is connected to the psytrance scene or not. I listen to progressive a lot and some of the most beautiful proggy tracks aren't even from psytrance related artists. And one thing to remember: Music is also about melody, not some droning piece of beats with hi-hats and weird synthfarts just played random over and over again.
And why is it that songs with melody become fluffy?? Is there a rule for this? I call it bullshit. Music is all the more emotional and beautiful with good melody involved. And who freaking cares if it's not psychedelic anymore? I for one listen music for my enjoyment. And good melody makes more enjoyment for me.          "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."

[Esoteric: Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum]
Lithium
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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 18:04
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On 2005-04-21 16:16, Acidhive wrote:
All this bullshit about progressive artists like Son Kite not being "psy" anymore is getting old



man this post isn´t about if progressive artists being psy or not

cheers
traveller
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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 18:06
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On 2005-04-21 15:16, The Green Channel wrote:

It's just much rarer; you have to listen to a much higher percentage of trance in order to find an artist which is truly psychedelic…




Not if you find the right label for example           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
- Larry Niven
*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 19:48
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On 2005-04-21 18:06, traveller wrote:
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On 2005-04-21 15:16, The Green Channel wrote:

It's just much rarer; you have to listen to a much higher percentage of trance in order to find an artist which is truly psychedelic…




Not if you find the right label for example




I have found the majority of Twisted Record releases to be very psychedelic.
Other labels which appeal to me are...

Ultimae Records
Backroom Beast records           ~*** You can tell By the way i use my walk, Im a woman's man, No time to Talk***~
traveller
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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 19:53
I have to agree with those Karma.. also Surreal Audio.. I think they changed their name recently to something else thou..           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
- Larry Niven
mono mono
Onnomon

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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 20:26
State of mind...

What sounds or feel psychedelic today, maybe doesn't tommorrow. What sounds psychedelic to you doesn't to me. I think I understand the frustration some of our isratrance practitioners feel when they get a V/A collection of "psytrance" or "fool-on" and they don't feel it. I think once you possess and listen to a couple hundred releases of particular genre you become saavy to the formula. Now, you hear the formula and might have difficulty getting past that into the music. You must lower those analytical defenses. Sounds like faith eh? not quite. A little more like "suspension of disbelief". These days you might believe there are very few suprises in the music. Fortunately, there are still suprises but they're fewer and further between. Perhaps one should occasionally put themselves into a state of confusion (by various means) then deposit themselves onto a large soundfield, even playing the formula, the experience would knock you socks off.

While I also find much progressive and fool-on to be rather unpsychedelic too but it can be gratifying in other ways, especially the rhythms in the progressive styles. The "dark" approach to trance can be psychedelic, in that abstract sound patterns replace the traditional musical-note melodies causing the mind to race and wander, if the sounds are rich and complex enough.

ah well if it can't be psychedelic, i'll go for weird and groovy instead.

-dean
DeSerT.StOrM


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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 21:01
man weird and groovy is always good i try and stay that way at all times. ahahaha
The Green Channel
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Posted : Apr 22, 2005 13:36
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On 2005-04-21 18:06, traveller wrote:
Quote:

On 2005-04-21 15:16, The Green Channel wrote:

It's just much rarer; you have to listen to a much higher percentage of trance in order to find an artist which is truly psychedelic…




Not if you find the right label for example



Thats very true ... T--s--d R--o--s...           "Love is a way of life"

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The Green Channel
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Posted : Apr 22, 2005 13:53
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On 2005-04-21 16:16, Acidhive wrote:
All this bullshit about progressive artists like Son Kite not being "psy" anymore is getting old really fast. We've heard all those arguments before and there are a myriad of topics on this forum already where you can add "your point of view" to the discussion. To me, progressive is all about boundaries and crossing them. Son Kite may sound more "housey" nowadays, but they sound all the better for it. In the end it's about MUSIC and not about being psychedelic. Son Kite's old tracks like for example Knob Adjustment or Deuce are very minimal and maybe that is more like psytrance, but tracks like Massive, On Air and Jukebox for instance are (in my ears) a lot better and there's way more music in there. That's why we see great proggy DJ's like for example Markus Schulz implement these tracks into a set with regular progressive trance made by artists who have nothing in common with the psytrance scene, like Perry O' Neill etc.
And that's where the boundaries and crossing over them comes into view with progressive trance. For progressive it doesn't make a difference if one is connected to the psytrance scene or not. I listen to progressive a lot and some of the most beautiful proggy tracks aren't even from psytrance related artists. And one thing to remember: Music is also about melody, not some droning piece of beats with hi-hats and weird synthfarts just played random over and over again.
And why is it that songs with melody become fluffy?? Is there a rule for this? I call it bullshit. Music is all the more emotional and beautiful with good melody involved. And who freaking cares if it's not psychedelic anymore? I for one listen music for my enjoyment. And good melody makes more enjoyment for me.


I love son kite, and their music can actually be psychedelic. I’m a sucker for beautiful melodies myself, that’s one of the main reasons that I enjoy morning progressive so much… So we agree…
The reason I commented on the subject was because a lot of the progressive that’s being released today simply isn’t psychedelic, just like the majority of the full-on being released today isn’t psychedelic… This has no relevance what’s so ever to the general quality of the song it could be a great song, but it’s just not psychedelic. Psychedelic music has an advantage; you can hear the song over and over again, because of the songs complexity, while you can get tired of a groovy progressive song even though it's really cool...


          "Love is a way of life"

(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna)
psy^soldier
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Posted : Apr 22, 2005 18:45
Lithium
Inteligent Manipulation i find this comp to be minimal psytrance and not progressive at all
David(KIVA)
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Posted : Apr 22, 2005 21:45
All this talk about psychedelic makes me ILL and I have a hangover! Look, take some acid if you want to get psychedelic! This is our genre, take it or leave it. I really dont think talking about this crap makes the scene go farther. The music is where it is today because people tried new things that sounded good. Do you think the music would have come as far as it has if people were overly critical about how psychedelic it was. Shit the only reason its a topic of discussion is because the scene has a drug of choice. I think people get so wrapped up in the fact that they were tripping balls at a party and FELT the psychedelic side of the music. It all goes away when the drugs ware off and then what. Your back to what it sounded like before you took your dose. It is what it is. If its not psychedelic enough then dont listen to it.           http://soundcloud.com/djkiva
huga_generation
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Posted : Apr 23, 2005 01:11
well, i gues it's all in the mind of the listener...
but there's more of it, there a big weight to what audiance want. in the past , trance parties were all about psychedelia and wasnt happenig very often, much devaloped since than, i mean this music tunres to much bigger crowd and not just a bunch of freaks . drugs has a very big influence also, i mean we have e's since 98-99 very popular in parties, and the music is built as well, beacuse we have so much parties , orginaizers and artists aim their music to something lighter funner with less soul and meaning . for example i really enjoy listen to freq for the quality music he makes with such a huge production behind each track, but there is nothing psychedelic about it , same goes to many proggy artists, i cant really talk about full-on cuz this is a really copy-paste music(there's some who does is differenly but i'm talking about most of the fullon artits)finish trance style is different and interesting but doesnt fit parties exactly like chillout, for me at least besides most of the finish artists arent very profesional and most of it just sound bad, so there's nothing to complain , it's pure devalopment of music, it u want a change, make it happen.           Bottom Line Presents
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