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jizy
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Posted : Mar 15, 2014 16:23
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rework... the point is missing...
the point expressed was music b created from emotion,just doing without thinking..
in a mixing point of view... this is something else...
having a jam close the record button and more than one of you, even better, ..
rather than using templates and blu prints..
just make music...
thats the point being expressed.....
as for making elements... it began from someone befor tutorials/internet/vst's where invented.. the point mention was that you and your daw is the innovator..
its just up2your intellect on how you innovate it, if u require mind expanding plants to innovate and evolve your intelligence, then b my guest......
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Cosmo Circle
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Posted : Mar 15, 2014 17:20
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I dont think psytrance tracks should have measures, creating a psychedelic trance tune its like paiting a surrealism picture...
if you notice, psytrance is more like an artistical distortion of reality based in sound-design, with psytrance you try to distort every elements in order to make people change their perception of reality.
but going into the discussion of, how do organize or how do you work before starting a music, i usualy rely on previous worked ideas that combined togheter will end in track structures...
just like many painters, rely their final pictures on a full set of sketches, electronic music is just the same, you collect first, you put your ideas in order, and than you filter thouse ideas creating a more solid combination, wich will result on a stronger message and a solid track...
and this can be applied to mostly everything on creating a track...
thinking about thematics before writting a track, helps me to find exacly what type of intruments i will looking for, what sort of processing i am after, and also the type of mixing it will be applyed...
Everytrack should be a singular piece, should have strong identity, otherwise, people will not recall the track after 5 minutes.
In the old days, psytrance used to have a more cinematic flavour, tracks had stronger identity, than now, and i think that happened because today people seem to be obsessed with mixing issues...
and this type of speech its the perfect example of what i am saying..
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On 2014-03-13 15:00:39, TranceAphobic wrote:
(...)I usually start off with an eight beat loop. Load a kick-drum, add an equalizer and make it a bit brighter, no compression yet. Then add the bass-line, throw down a pattern and also give it some extra high energy to give it a more clear sound(...)
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can this be usefull to anyone?
like i said... every track its a singular story, every mixing its different, every monitor and room are different, every people have a different type of mixing taste
so... why really trying to make a point around technical issues? isnt that a complete waste of time??
honestly... you arent helping anyone with that...
actually i see people so complexed and worried about mixing issues, that sometimes they forgot about how to implement good ideas behind a track... wich is ridiculous, people end up by not creating anything, because they become so obsessed with the their "8 bar loop" that they struggle to continue the tune story....
making another comparisson with painting a picture, its like you were obsessed about what sort of paper or platform you will paint, and then forget about what you want to paint...
art is art, and why try to make everything so much "industrialized" if musical industry is on a complete crisis? isnt this a great time to mess with it? you dont have anything to lose...
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fraxi
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Posted : Mar 15, 2014 19:47
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On 2014-03-13 16:32, faxinadu wrote:
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On 2014-03-13 16:04, Colin OOOD wrote:
Alternatively, just sit down at your sequencer and write the music in your head.
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+10000000000000
people are so lazy these days, everything is a tutorial or a formula, meh :/
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Do what you want and how you want, find your own way and make your own style
I think that's the best solution
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 16, 2014 16:04
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sad that someone starts with sharing some insights...
they're not bad insights either. when people read "first conceptual work" from x artist, it's usually because it takes some planning to produce a coherent work - nothing wrong about that. |
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Cerebral Eclipse
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Posted : Mar 16, 2014 17:59
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TranceAphobic,
Not a waste of time in my opinion.
I usually read posts like that about the work methods of other people and give it a try... Kinda like sitting with someone in the studio and watching how they work - you can copy it completley (which will create the "cloned" music people here are talking about), you can take only some things from it or you can ignore it completley, and just know that you learned some new techniques, even if you aren't going to use it.
Cloned music always existed and will always exist- people see something good and obviously try to copy it- But good innovative artists should still be able to stand out.. Im not innocent in this - I really try to avoid going back to the familiar, good-sounding typical psy sounds and samples, but sometimes you just cant help it.
The way of taking 8 bars and filling it with the track (basically building the track in a one 8 bar part) is something I heard from other music creators also. But whenever I try it I always get carried away to the rest of the track - I have to hear the buildup in order to continue building it.. |
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 16, 2014 19:25
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its about finding your own workflow.. this is what will eventually,hopefully with lots of hard work, effort and careful thought will make you sound unique 4 what ever message u want to convey n express 2the world......
a flow you can call your own is the POINT HERE OMG, you fukers are not listening!
that to be truly honest shouldn't be shared..
sure advice is great and correct guided direction is important... your workflow is something that should be unique to u and not for the world to copy..
i went against my own believes by askin to explain his kick and bass mix idea,or unless its another copy paste job. u kno what? it aint mine,so fuck it...
that is it really... so stop going on about it and acting like girly pussies over the fact his feeling may b hurt... man up as shit comes back stronger and wiser....
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Mar 16, 2014 22:48
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On 2014-03-16 16:04, frisbeehead wrote:
sad that someone starts with sharing some insights...
they're not bad insights either. when people read "first conceptual work" from x artist, it's usually because it takes some planning to produce a coherent work - nothing wrong about that.
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+++10000000000000000000000000, and that's the thing, goddam, no one is copying nothing, its workflow and shared experiences, goddam it, this is what goa is all about, sharing, cutting tapes, passing to others, shit,no one is going take your little backyard where you might be THE king, dont want to share DONT! but dont rant on the ones who do , go fight in syria or what the fuck little wars we human get into, maybe my dish is better then your, lets fight over it!
Tudo que é melhor e mais superior em mim saúda tudo que é melhor e mais alto em si |
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 16, 2014 22:58
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Id love to fight in Syria and helpthose children but, its fuked and beyond repair, dont get all Democratical over music. its why we make , to send positive vibration.
nomads gettin me wrong completely.
and lol, the point is stil bieng missed.. its just comical now... i never sed nuthen about not sharin an idea.. if u look in the forum i have shared my ideas,wether your ignorance didnt alow u to see that proves a point completely,... music is spontaneous and so should be the workflow .. boohoo move on its another nice sunny day god dam it! lol
goddam it x2 ? 
the use of that word does not bring the sound of passion to my ears lol like terrible acting lol
 
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Mar 16, 2014 23:08
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On 2014-03-16 22:58, jizy wrote:
goddam it x2 ?
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ehehe got carried away not my usual self 
Tudo que é melhor e mais superior em mim saúda tudo que é melhor e mais alto em si |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 17, 2014 16:37
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this is the kind of response that makes one (me) think if this isn't a waste of good will and kind sharing of information that instead of falling into the "trade secret" category, is shared like what it really is: useful information that can set you on a better path or at least point you a way that's worked for other people.
I'm pretty sure some (most) of those complaining have never ever dared to share such detailed insights into their own way of working, and couldn't really add something to the thread rather then their vague accounts on how everything is up to every and single one of us - thanks for that! very clever thought!
but this has deviated so much that I wonder if there's any moderators - worthy of the name - still on this forum. and it's rude and doesn't really add anything useful to the topic, rather then the need - some people clearly have - to show superiority by bashing on other people's thoughts. is that a new tendency these days? sure as hell not for me... |
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faxinadu
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Posted : Mar 17, 2014 16:40
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there is to share workflow and ideas, and there is to say "put a kick 4 bars, then a snare 16 bars, then a lead with the second preset from bla bla vsti" this is not ideas, this is dolly the sheep
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 17, 2014 18:00
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On 2014-03-17 16:40, faxinadu wrote:
there is to share workflow and ideas, and there is to say "put a kick 4 bars, then a snare 16 bars, then a lead with the second preset from bla bla vsti" this is not ideas, this is dolly the sheep
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maybe we interpret things a different way. I think it's much better then most responses here. I just fail to see the value on those, and think - honestly do - that this kind of formula may actually be useful for some people. nothing wrong with sharing ways of doing things and I also fail to recon how it's such a big threat to anyone's creativity with a world full of tuturials and paid for presets and samples whose value is questionable - to say the least!!
so, it's ok to ask for money for some formulaic shit "how to do it like me" kind of shit, but not to simply go for it on a public forum like this? is that it?
besides, the real point here is people being rude to a kind soul that's sharing stuff with us, that's all...
no one's forced to agree or follow, but there's ways to add to a conversation rather then simply ranting with no respect for others, no? |
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Mar 17, 2014 18:27
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you know what, i wrote you a response, but i think this is the point where enough is enough, not gonna post it. please just don't assume that colin or myself for that matter just rant and never help or whatever you implied.
again apologies to OP if things came out too harsh.
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 17, 2014 18:27
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again..the point is missed. owel, another day ay
and faxi only ideas of shared are mixing ones.... not formulated arrangement ones ;-)
idea is to sit there and jaaaaaammmmmm , with no De-restrictions and blue prints. and if u do borrow, evolve it.
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Mar 17, 2014 18:32
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On 2014-03-17 18:27, jizy wrote:
idea is to sit there and jaaaaaammmmmm , with no De-restrictions and blue prints. and if u do borrow, evolve it.
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agreed. i think this is what both colin and i were trying to say, only you said it nicer
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