pre planned sets?

On 2007-01-06 20:43, xrust wrote:
i usually make groups of 4 tracks in the same key(playing more than 20 minutes in the same key may make tha dancefloor get bored) .so i have about 12-15 tracks that will play,but i dont settle the order in those groups,this will depend on what the previous dj and the one after me is gonna play...and with this plan,i have tha flexibility to add some tracks that i found suitable during the set by watching the dancefloor...most of the times i know the dancefloor mood from before...also some talking with the other djs about the tracklist can save your ass

On 2007-01-05 09:52, Dennis the menace wrote:
i never plan, you never know what will happen during the party or what time and for how long you will play. reading the dancefloor is the key imho

On 2007-01-05 06:15, sukia wrote:
it is normal or alot of people play with pre planned sets (i dont use it for play ) but this 31 i was invited to play in party here in asia ......when i finush and came the other dj i was impress he have a track list with all time in time out time of the cue and even pitch
i dont what more cut be inside that list ..my frist time i saw that.....so my question is a lot of people do that ??? for me lose the fun of playing

On 2007-01-07 12:51, Redax Mental wrote:
Dont do those plan mixes...that sux and thats a lame DJ!!! If u wanna be a DJ..meet the music first, recognise it and be one with it..than u dont need perfect trackselection prepared before cause u can do better selection on the stage directly!!!!

On 2007-01-07 21:14, Krell wrote:
No, your a lame dj, and we can battle any day, prepared or unprepared, your ass is mine

Feedback online places me among the best djs at parties I play at, at least, people will often emphasize my sets over others.

Its a fact, not my arrogance, but my response to your lame comments.

Apparently, only people who do things your way can be good djs. Narrowmindedness, like I predicted in the first thing I wrote in this topic.

On 2007-01-07 22:49, Redax Mental wrote:
But yeahh man...How can u prepare ur mix before hearing what people like and what night is gonna be..and what DJ is playing before u and how the hell u know how & where the music will take u????

On 2007-01-08 00:07, Krell wrote:

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On 2007-01-07 22:49, Redax Mental wrote: But yeahh man...How can u prepare ur mix before hearing what people like and what night is gonna be..and what DJ is playing before u and how the hell u know how & where the music will take u????

Only really one interesting thing for me in what you write.

So, how can I do it ?

I can do it, because my brain is very strong at analysis, especially in cases where I have lots of prior experience.

You see, I dont go to a party without knowing anything about the party. Usually, I know when I spin, and having gone to parties, and djed since 1995, I know how they work, what they all have in common.

When you combine strong experience, on the dancefloors, with strong analytical skills in your brain, you are easily able to predict what will work and what will not.

The thing is, there are more than just one way of doing a set, and getting the crowds attention, especially at psychedelic parties.
I mean, people go to these parties to have psychedelic experiences, that is experiences which will surprise them, or take them to new levels.

So, even if you, with the set you start, change the style somewhat from who played before you, it is no problem, as long as you take into consideration that there are energy levels to maintain.
You also have to understand, that sometimes, removing energy is the best thing to do, since when you destroy something you can often build up something better instead.
It can be a VERY good thing when you, as a dj, do not let yourself be dictated what you want to spin. I mean, just because all other djs before you spin full on, you will sometimes have to be the one to have the balls to spin progressive... Its not only the people ON the dancefloor you need to think about, there are also all the people AROUND the dancefloor, or even the ones lurking in their tents, at the bar or in the forest
Its not ONLY about DJ and CROWD interaction, a DJ needs to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE WHOLE!

Also, keep in mind, I dont rely 100% on what is preplanned, I just use it for reference. If I dont feel like following the planned set, I just dont. Thats what you have to understand, that even with a strong plan, that plan is weak if you cant adapt it as you go along. I wrote this already.
Perhaps you cannot adapt your set to a preplanned set, which is ok with me, but I can do both, its not a weakness, actually its a strength, when you combine both abilities. The strength of open mindedness.

Now, the reason you do not understand, how I can KNOW what a certain party is like, and what music will probably work, is that you dont have the same analytical skills as I have. Or at least, thats most likely, because if you had, you would understand this - also, you would write looooong replies, like I do now (thats how analytical people are like).

This is, for you, the problem. Lack of understanding. The problem, for you, is not that you like to do things another way, the problem is that you do not understand why other djs do it their way.
You perhaps THINK that some djs make a plan because they dont know any better, but you dont understand that they do it because the plan enables them to spin EVEN better, than if they didnt have the plan.

When you can do something, to make your set better, and there is NO DRAWBACK to it WHATSOEVER, other than that you have to spend a lot of time preparing for it before hand, and you still do it, then you are a good dj. Not a lame dj, like you say. Its about dedication to djing, being as good as you can possibly be, using ALL your skills, ALL your personality to make the set as perfect and enjoyable as you can - for you and the crowd.

You know, you might say you wouldnt like what I spin at a party, but then again, you never heard me spin at a party, and also, you never heard a set that I spun at a party.
All you have heard, are online mixes made specifically for the purpose of being "stand alone sets", where whatever music went before, and after, are figments of my imagination, just like I often write.

Actually, its harder to make a really good mix people download. Because, when you prepare for a party, you know everybody will be partying, but you never know how people will decide to use a set which was made not specificly for a party.

A good dj will spin after one rule, "whatever works works", because, thats the only thing that matters. The effect of the music, the rest is just bullshit and hype. It all about the musc !

For me, its the whole of the set that matters, not what killargh next track you can come up with, to be the ultimate interactive crowd pleaser.

Like, for instance, when you gave feedback, on di.fm on one of my longer sets (2 hours 45minuttes), you listen to it for perhaps 15 minuttes and write

Qoute Rexax Mental
http://forums.di.fm/showthread.php?t=92602
"My personal and not sooo much proffesional opinion is DECENT
Like teh mood but not the driving..need some more LIFE in the mix...some good strong bass line..some more powerfull KICK!!!!
But anyway... nice though .."

I mean, thats your opinion, after listening for only 30 minuttes of the set. Thats like 1/5th of it !!! Already there, you feel your ready to pass judgement on the set as a whole.

Then, I tell you.

Qoute Krell
"The energy level on the set rises as you progress into it - Its an almost 3 hour long set, so theres plenty of time to build up the energy "

Now, long time after, I go look how people have rated the set.

I see

12 votes(one my own) - 57,14% VERY GOOD
8 votes - 38,1% GOOD
1 vote(yours) - 4,76 DECENT

Its some time ago now, but when I go back and see how people react, I have people telling me Im somewhere in between "good" and "very good", and then I have you, who didnt bother listening to the whole thing telling me its "decent", because you were MISSING WHAT CAME NEXT IN THE SET - yeah baby, I even anticipated your needs, but you didnt stick around for the show!

I mean, how can I, or anyone, take you serious ? Why should you be the one to lecture me, and others, about who is a lame dj, and who not ?

Tell me, because I am really dying to know. Since you didnt even bother listening through the whole thing, understanding that mostly all of my sets progress into new music, and is not just the same killargh full on, dark psy or progressive the whole way through....

Now, in regards to knowing what people want and enjoy, understanding how a dj set works with the audience.. Look at the votes mate, only one person voted below "good" on it, and that was you mate... and you did it, just because you wanted a stronger kick as bassline, something the set offered later... but, did you bother listening to it like the others ? No - You just past judgement..

Thats narrowmindedness, you think you know, but you dont. You think other djs who dont work like you are lame, but they are really not.

Proof - Well, the numbers speak for themselves really. Its hard evidence...

If thats not enough for you, check the comments then.

I could go on, I know Im good at what I do, still, Im not the best. Therefore, I try to improve - not to be the best, but to be the best I can be.
The reason I am good at what I do, is that I use the skills I have, my personality - and strive to become better. When this stops, Im lame, until then, Im good. Very simple.

In case you want to know about my personality, and why I can do the things that I can do, go read http://www.typelogic.com/intj.html - Perhaps you will understand then, perhaps not.

Just keep in mind, this is not me trying to be arrogant with you, I dont think I am the greatest dj in the world.
What I do know is, that Im not a lame dj, as you actually just labelled me, and many others.
We are very serious and dedicated djs, who work our ass of in order to do a good job, and we deserve your respect. Respect that should come from openmindedness, something you sadly lack, just as you lack the decency to really listen to something before you pass judgement.

I dont need you to approve of me or my methods, I just need to make it clear, that if anything is lame, then its imposing YOUR own methods and restrictions onto others.

Call it egocentric, but Im spending my time here writing this, not only for myself, but for others as well. People should not feel bad about being well prepared, they should feel good and honest about it, since they are doing a good job and the scene should be appreciative of their efforts.

- Krell

On 2007-01-08 00:28, Redax Mental wrote:
Heyy..i am not judging u like u are not a good DJ ( i have heard ur mixes..u are good ) I am just no so familiar with that kind of Djing u know

But every written word u wrote here is true

enjoy man..and i respect every DJ!!!!

boom

On 2007-01-08 00:42, Krell wrote:

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On 2007-01-08 00:28, Redax Mental wrote: Heyy..i am not judging u like u are not a good DJ ( i have heard ur mixes..u are good ) I am just no so familiar with that kind of Djing u know But every written word u wrote here is true enjoy man..and i respect every DJ!!!! boom

Im so happy we see eye to eye on this, I hope we get to spin some time together

- Krell