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Krell
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Posted : Jan 9, 2006 03:42
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It has been some time since I fellt the urge to open a new topic on the net - I didnt have anything worth writing. (perhaps some wont find this worth writing/reading either, to them I sincerely apologize beforehand and bid you welcome to laugh at my geekyness) 
It is no secret that there has, for as long as I have been online(1996), been a negative attitude towards general trends and basicly everything that could be defined and talked about within the psychedelic scene.
Some of those are today and were through the years.
- MP3 Pirating.
- DAT Pirating.
- Too many labels.
- Too many artists releasing (due to too many labels).
- Complaints about low quality.
- Greedy Organizers.
- Greedy Artists.
- Greedy Labels.
- Untrustworthy Organizers.
- Untrustworthy Artists.
- Untrustworthy Labels.
- Drugs(this is not an allowed topic of discussion on some sites, keep it in mind - stay on topic).
- DJ Quality.
- Event Quality.
- Spirituality Yes / No.
- Meaning Lacking / Irrelevant.
- Genres / Music being defined and things becoming academic.
- Artists going commercial. (producing stuff that is on par with "dance" and more commercial "house".
Now - What I would like to hear about are the positive effects of those things -
They might be direct as in "Its good to know if an organizer is very bad and threatens artists, so, at least we can spread the knowledge" or "there might be too many labels for a commercial market, but more music is being released and more artists are being heard".
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They might be indirect like "MP3 is maybe bad morally because many people steal music and make themselves criminals, but in fact many more releases get heard by people and as such more people get hooked" or "there might be a lot of bad Djs out there, but at least generally people are becomming more aware and demanding in regards to DJs".
So - Keep it positive - Even if you do not agree with each other - If you do not keep the discussion positive you have only prooved 1 thing, and that is you didnt read what I wrote or you didnt respect it anyway I mean it, the intent is to focus on the good things instead of the bad things. Failure is there to learned from, so Im wondering what have we learned ? Also, what are we learning ?
Feel free to add more categories of your own But - Try to let people speak for themselves, even if you disagree (write something positive instead).
And if this is just complete bullshit to you - Then please make sure your lame comment is at least funny ;-)
Best Wishes
Krell
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 9, 2006 03:52
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For starters, very nice thoughts Krell!
this is the way to think if we want to come somewhere
i will think about what you said and see if i can find anything... hehe im sure i will |
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Aluxe
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Posted : Jan 9, 2006 09:55
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- MP3 Pirating:
Maybe destiny is telling us, music is like water: should be free and everybody should have access to it.
- Drugs
Just say yes, why the hell not!!!
But seriously. With a bit of prudence, it can be a mind expanding experience.
- Spirituality Yes / No.
hmmm, how about LOVE YES !!!!!
- Meaning Lacking / Irrelevant.
just gime some soul
- Genres / Music being defined and things becoming academic.
I am just going to take a positive nap here.
- Artists going commercial.
Yeah how about psychedelic pop. YOu know if you are going to bring good music wrapped up in a package that most of the people can relate to well the better for everyone.
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Nathan
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Posted : Jan 9, 2006 12:30
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- Too many labels.
- Too many artists releasing (due to too many labels).
- Complaints about low quality.
when you have a group of bad things: albums/labels/quality- you can appreciate more the good things.
Taste is not universal scale.
Choice to what listen to is freedom.
Unwonted thing will vanish naturally.
-=The Meaning Of Life Is To Give Life A Meaning= |
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exotic
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Posted : Jan 9, 2006 12:49
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yeah im with you krell i try and look away from the negatives as much as possible ..my only complaint here , and i know this a positive thread but i feel its more appropriate here than on any other thread but i truly feel that dark music truly needs a 'facelift' .. in the sense that the outward appearance of the music when one listens for the first time .. its just getting too monotonous and run of the mill .. iam really hoping dark producers realise that they should release music which does not only appeal to someone on drugs . Some intelligent music please
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MercuryFall
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Posted : Jan 9, 2006 13:24
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Yeah, think positive! Great thread, Krell!
- MP3 Pirating
Excellent promotion tool: a guy who downloads your tracks today may buy the next one! And he shares with his friends, making your name well known.
- Too many labels
This is the law of market. It will regulate itself anyway.
- Too many artists releasing (due to too many labels).
Quality survives!
- Complaints about low quality.
You dont have to buy it!
- Greedy Organizers.
- Greedy Artists.
- Greedy Labels.
Choose your vibe!
- Untrustworthy Organizers.
- Untrustworthy Artists.
- Untrustworthy Labels.
Hard to think positive on that one.....
- Drugs
It's a key to another world. Use smartly!
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elheffe
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Posted : Jan 9, 2006 15:25
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- Untrustworthy Organizers.
- Untrustworthy Artists.
- Untrustworthy Labels.
Hard to think positive on that one.....
i agree mercuryfall but look at it as you have regarding MP3 pirating, but in a negative way to draw a positive conclusion: Untrustworthies may be on the skank for a while but eventually they will be found and recognised, and word of mouth will lead to their downfall - all will eventually know them as untrustworthy and they shall be avoided... 
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 9, 2006 17:45
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On 2006-01-09 08:54, nolightatend wrote:
Krell,
with all due respect to you but negative is the way how YOU understand each thing alone, sometimes negative thing to you can be positive to another. Sometimes someone might mean something warning rather negative and others will understand as negative.
I think just some ppl can't see the real point of posts, when someone open topic about mp3 piracy he/she probably wants to discuss or warn rather spread negative emotions.
If you ask meh, you all use word negative too much and without proper use.
Now, NES why is that the way? Should we say something positive about MP3 piracy or CD quality for example and then it will solve the situation, it doesn't matter how you see global picture it doesn't change and not won't change based on your personal feelings.
Is the word positive stuck on your tongue, for example there is use i know a bit named Colin, he post for many years, never use word negative or positive but always helpful and intresting. I think lack of informative things to say is to use phrases like "you are negative" or " your are positive".
Just my thoughts.
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nolightatend, why dont you say these thing where they belong?
either in the thread about "Genelec or Blue Sky" or give me a Pm!
if we go back to that thread i can explain my use of the word negative
sometimes your are too hot..
i know i my self can be like that aswell, but lets calm down and really think about what we say.
we should have our own discussion instead.. if you want to you can always Pm me...
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headyatail2000
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 01:05
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mp3 pirating..
get used 2 it..gotta find new ways to channel music
DAT
dunno much
Too many labels
the scene is open..but ya..bad organizations, non payment of dues..that's bad...
Too many Artistes
makes me appreciate the good ones
Artistes goin commercial
listen to something else then..
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MercuryFall
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 10:25
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On 2006-01-09 15:25, elheffe wrote:
- Untrustworthy Organizers.
- Untrustworthy Artists.
- Untrustworthy Labels.
Hard to think positive on that one.....
i agree mercuryfall but look at it as you have regarding MP3 pirating, but in a negative way to draw a positive conclusion: Untrustworthies may be on the skank for a while but eventually they will be found and recognised, and word of mouth will lead to their downfall - all will eventually know them as untrustworthy and they shall be avoided...
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yep, maybe word of mouh will work and they'll be avoided.... But in the meanwhile, they can cause terrible things to happen... It's a painful subject, so i wont comment any further! |
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udit
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 15:12
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one of the best posts ever..
Thanks Krell..
- Greedy Organizers.
- Greedy Artists.
- Greedy Labels.
i feel strongly about this one...
when one goes out on a mission to be nice and not greedy, you lose track sometimes... :S
if you are not greedy and choose to be that way, by all means do so.. but that doesnt give you the right to judge other people because they are not like that...
by judging these people we land up creating more divides in this world and opposes the reason why people try to be nice and not greedy...
i have seen so much on this forum where artists or labels are criticised to death just because of the way they choose their lives..
who gave you the right to judge them... calling them greedy or comercial or money making or whatever..
please just focus on yourself and avoid this feeling if it exists...
we need to balance our greedyness with our compassion and thats the hardest thing to do... dark and light are 2 sides of the same thing...
a lot of things are subjective in this world and what you believe might not apply for someone else..
hope this is taken in a positive way and i dont mean to offend or criticise anyone...
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 11, 2006 02:27
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udit - nice words |
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motorolaaa
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Posted : Jan 15, 2006 06:05
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More labels more party more competition higher quality....MP3-good for new artists
artists going commercial-thus making way for new artists to fill in the underground...as in if infected mushroom was still underground or less commercial new artists would find it hard to compete with them and would not be able to get gigs.
when the unknown becomes known its something to rejoice about not cry...Music for the Masses!
Organizers and promoters are not doing things for charity...Greed is Good...we are not living in biblical times guys. |
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