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duodenumz
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Posted : Feb 26, 2004 06:38
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i have to say, the way many psy artists use samples is really bothering me... they don't seem to realize that samples (esp LONG samples) need to be as strong as the rest of the elements in a track. it's so irritating to get into a groove, and then hear a muffled, confusing sample in the back ground that lasts for far too long.
this has happened with tunes like the Dynamic one that samples Jurassic Park, and several Beat Hackers tunes, just to name a small number of examples.
i think it's also silly when artists use samples that are out-of-context. again, that same Dynamic track comes to mind. who the hell cares about Jurassic Park, and how does the sample apply to psytrance? how about "Roll the Dice" by Jumanji? i will NEVER play that track, simply because the sample during the breakdown is so out-of-context and juvenile.
PLEASE no more random "cool", poorly-produced samples in good tracks. it's like cooking a huge gourmet dinner and then flushing it down the toilet. |
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xantus
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Posted : Feb 26, 2004 06:54
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i couldnt agree more....
theres one track...i cant remmeber the artist, its a totally great track..then for no reason there's this 2 second break where some guy says, "so you like to talk about water..." and its like wtf? 
humor works in psy, but only to a point, its gotta be throughout, or not at all
and i totally agree, everyone just leaves samples untouched, and most of them are all midrange, which totally gets lost in the bassline. havent you people heard of using resonant filters!! (producer rant)
i also hate when theres a totally great sample in the beginning, but the track just kind of starts with no thought of the sound that came before it.
my most recent example of a track that was killed by long, not even much to do with the song is psypilot - feel zero five
sample's really long, and isnt even in time, ends before the 64 is over and there isnt even any resolution to it.
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Posted : Feb 26, 2004 12:24
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yup dudes.
i found many of those poor not funny uses too, last one was on oryx tune, don't remember it's name.
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psypilot
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Posted : Feb 26, 2004 18:47
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Hi folks
your discussion about samples is very interesting.
maybe you are simply not understanding what this samples are doing on this tracks...
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On 2004-02-26 06:54, xantus wrote:
i couldnt agree more....
theres one track...i cant remmeber the artist, its a totally great track..then for no reason there's this 2 second break where some guy says, "so you like to talk about water..." and its like wtf?
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I think that’s a track of mine. the track is called "over-unity".
over-unity-machines are machines that produces more energy than where put in. and water is a substance that is able to produce more energy that have be put in such machines... that's why I used the sample "we talk about water all the time". this track handles about water and these so called over-unity engines. so why wtf is this sample wrong on this track?
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my most recent example of a track that was killed by long, not even much to do with the song is psypilot - feel zero five
sample's really long, and isnt even in time, ends before the 64 is over and there isnt even any resolution to it.
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that's my track too. the sample is from the movie "contact". they receive this signal from outerspace and record it. that’s all about...
I called this signal zero-five. can you feel zero-five?
I think the most artists are using such samples to express something with...
if you are not knowing or understanding why they are using this samples didn't means that it has to be wrong... or?
the other point of using samples and breakdowns on a track is to make the track more attractive and to produce some tension and some surprises.
or are you asking a painter why he uses this or that color instead of the one you would use in this picture? I think this is the freedom of creating something in the way you feel it...
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Anak
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Posted : Feb 26, 2004 18:58
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Basilisk
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Posted : Feb 26, 2004 19:32
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This has always been a problem in this scene of music... today there are many CDs I would buy if it weren't for bad sample usage (usually pointless druggy mumblings)... I guess I wish artists would realize their audience isn't entirely teenage kids hyped up on goofballs, eager to hear that sample about cocaine usage or how much acid some person took.
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full_on
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Posted : Feb 26, 2004 20:17
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On 2004-02-26 18:47, psypilot wrote:
Hi folks
your discussion about samples is very interesting.
maybe you are simply not understanding what this samples are doing on this tracks...
I think the most artists are using such samples to express something with...
if you are not knowing or understanding why they are using this samples didn't means that it has to be wrong... or?
the other point of using samples and breakdowns on a track is to make the track more attractive and to produce some tension and some surprises.
or are you asking a painter why he uses this or that color instead of the one you would use in this picture? I think this is the freedom of creating something in the way you feel it...
psypilot
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Perfect answer.
I love samples, they make me think about something, they carry on a info that no noise can transmit. I like all Beat Hackers tracks, and their samples too, they're in perfect syntony with all elements of their tracks IMO.
So it's a matter of taste.
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technoid
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Posted : Feb 26, 2004 21:23
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Couldn't agree more. It's the stupid druggy ones and badly used film ones that bug me.
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Timeleech
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Posted : Feb 27, 2004 01:03
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I like my samples to set a mood, or enhance the one already present in the music. And I never let one slip through un-equ'd or unfiltered. If not to mangle it, then at least to fit it into the mix and make it intelligible.
Samples are also, mostly, best used sparingly. Like small golden nuggets to be savoured, partly because of their sparsity. This adds impact. Anything repeated enough times looses meaning looses meaning looses meaning looses meaning looses meaning .... 
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monkeydo
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Posted : Feb 27, 2004 01:41
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The one that grates personally for me is that damn "my product is 51 times..." blah blah which has cropped up in a few tunes. Most annoyingly in one of the tracks in Doof Records "Swamp" compilation (track 5 I think).
Mind you I probably just hate it 'cos the film is so shite but really it is a bloody obvious sample to use isn't it? |
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time traveller
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Posted : Feb 27, 2004 05:19
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this site never fails to amze me ....it's ok for others to post about topics like this but when i post a topic fav 3 tracks of last yr ..its gets deleted ...
is 3 fav tracks more offensive than someone postin sayin they hate such and such all because of the samples used in there tracks ...... |
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time traveller
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Posted : Feb 27, 2004 05:40
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and another thing .of those that have complained about such samples my question is to you ......
do you produce and had ur tracks signed to labels etc ......
if no than what makes u lot such experts in how to make tunes .....
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duodenumz
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Posted : Feb 27, 2004 06:43
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well, my inital post is surely more interesting than someone moaning about their own post being deleted.
i don't understand how discussions get so simplified here, and then cut off with the usual "PLUR, man" posts.
we love psytrance, and we want artists to produce the strongest tracks they can.
my main concern was the fact that so many samples go through without better production. the artists in question will have a crystal-clear mix, EXCEPT for this ratty-ass sample that has been taken from the latest drug-filled movie. at least tweak the sample so it's clearly audible! why not invest a tiny bit of effort into looping parts of the samples or doing something creative (like call Simon P. for advice ;-)
the Beat Hackers don't need to feel hurt. i was on the message board right after the album came out, singing the praises. i still like their music quite a bit. i just want them to be even better, especially if that can happen just by cleaning up some samples.
of secondary concern is the CONTENT of the sample, which is much harder to criticise outright. it's a personal belief of mine that samples shouldn't be sorely out of context. like that Jurassis Park quote just being ripped directly. why not record your OWN samples then, ones that have the same effect AND are more personal? why just rip some overplayed line from a mediocre film?
anyway, why would a post like this be deleted? that's a bit sad if honest, thoughtful discussion gets CENSORED here. |
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duodenumz
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Posted : Feb 27, 2004 07:08
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funny- i just read the BH interview. very honest! i look forward to their future output. |
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