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Psynaesthesian
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Posted : Jun 23, 2007 01:28
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On 2007-06-22 17:53, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2007-06-22 01:01, Psynaesthesian wrote:
i've never heard of any arena of politics that has promoted "all" the arts except the ones pertaining to history and those that can put their respective countries on the revenue map .... to me politics is still pure lust for money ... maybe cos of my experiences in my country, so this may be a subjective point ..... my opinoin is that psy can never synergise with politics, that's for sure!! |
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So a concerned parent trying to get the speed limit reduced in their street because their child was killed by a car is lusting for money? How about working to change the system of voting in your country so that all views have an equal chance of representation - is that lusting for money? Both are politics. Politics for me is the way individuals interact with their society.
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Cos your girlie liked the taste
Your infected by the tease
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So your sexy guilty braids
Made your body smell of mace
So debauched in your slick mink
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Yes it's fucking political
Everythings political
Yes it's fucking political
Everythings satirical
Yes it's fucking political
Everythings political
The wild ones like to hide
As the diry priest confides
In the love of baby whores
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Negative are all your views
So you to can prop up your fake cool
A puppet all the same
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It is incredibly sad (no no no I won't get depressed about it) that when someone says 'politics', so many people just think of politicians. Together we have the power to change the world, and one reason why 'politicians' don't like people getting together to share ideas and possibilities is that they know this, and don't want the knowledge to spread.
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like i said bro .... my opinoin was subjective and based purely on my experiences ... no offence and big up to the ones doin it the right way for the right things  .... quote "once you are in the system; u become the system" .. unfortunately! ... again from my experiences!!
Much Respect!!
B'om Shankara!!
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mk47
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Posted : Jun 24, 2007 10:10
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its just druggie dance music .. if getting drugged and dancing is your idea of making a political statement .. sure : ) .. what i meant earlier however was that this music fails to deliver in the classic `political message in music` way .. ie anti extablishment , anti war songs .. like in the 60`s etc .. just cant do it on a sequencer imho .. pen better 
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hallucinator
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Posted : Jun 24, 2007 11:42
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ok i think im not to much in politics and dont like politics to be in this music.. but vegetal has made a big thing with he`s album " free thinkers are dangerous "
he`s one of the agressive and unique producers i ever heard !
Respect !
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headyatail2000
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Posted : Jun 26, 2007 00:07
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anyone has used the sample from kingdom of heaven :"what is jerusalem worth?....nothing or everything!"
orlando bloom asks salahuddin!
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v.v2
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Posted : Jun 27, 2007 20:44
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i think we as a group are more political than maany others - we believe in outdoor nature parties in the club age; we spend our dosh on sounds rather than voices; our beliefs on substances - we are making very strong 'political' statements, but probably without knowing it, or realising their full extent.
there is also a unique ability in trance, given the aphorism (vocal) is thought out unto menapause - it gets us to reflect that idea over many many layers of perception, reach an inner conscience...isn't that why we are wary of anything which might strike us beyond our liking?
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technoid
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Posted : Jul 6, 2007 15:29
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That Vegetal record is brilliant. I actually think it has just a bit too much political sampling on it, but the music... Oh man. I think a fair bit of dark/aggressive psy is badly produced, deliberately difficult rubbish, but this is something else. Vegetal hasn't forgotten about melodies and the whole thing sounds so well produced. I think it's one of the best trance records I've heard in ages.
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Mindbubble
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 07:29
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The most horrible and ridiculously thing to do, would be combining trance and politics. |
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Dogon
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 17:46
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trance - no rules
politics - governed by rules
So trance can be combined with politics but politics cannot be combined with trance.
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Heathen
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Posted : Jul 9, 2007 19:28
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On 2007-07-06 15:29, technoid wrote:
That Vegetal record is brilliant. I actually think it has just a bit too much political sampling on it, but the music... Oh man. I think a fair bit of dark/aggressive psy is badly produced, deliberately difficult rubbish, but this is something else. Vegetal hasn't forgotten about melodies and the whole thing sounds so well produced. I think it's one of the best trance records I've heard in ages.
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I agree...there is a great balance between the darkness and the groove. The album is still pretty new to me, and I can tell it has staying power. |
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Heathen
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Posted : Jul 9, 2007 20:17
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On 2007-07-08 17:46, Dogon wrote:
trance - no rules
politics - governed by rules
So trance can be combined with politics but politics cannot be combined with trance.
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Politics have been intertwined with music since the time of Beethoven, and most likely before him as well. Most of the time music expressed an anti-establishment point-of-view. It has been this way for hundreds and hundreds of years, through many, MANY different styles of music...maybe even EVERY style of music that has been or currently is.
To say politics cannot be combined with trance is like saying music cannot have rhythm....they go hand in hand.
Music with meaning has been the spark of many a revolution. Why would it be any difference in trance?
I would much rather music spark emotions, real emotions, inside of rather than artificial emotions (i.e. drugs). I think there is room enough for both. |
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headyatail2000
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Posted : Jul 10, 2007 23:21
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^^, well said heathen
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Fuzulu
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Posted : Jul 10, 2007 23:36
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exotic
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Posted : Jul 12, 2007 13:29
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Keep politics and trance aside please. especially psychedelic. there are other ways to get political messages across through non-hedonistic channels. Like the vegetal album for eg would have been so much better if they'd not included those anti-bush and genocide messages. trance music AFAIK is meant to put one in a state of 'trance' and not to be combined with serious content which makes it kinda lose its appeal.
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Yellow Warrior
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Posted : Jul 12, 2007 14:03
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On 2007-07-12 13:29, exotic wrote:
Like the vegetal album for eg would have been so much better if they'd not included those anti-bush and genocide messages. |
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exotic, maybe it would have been that much better for YOU alone and not the rest of us. Sorry!
See, in this case, Vegetal chose to express their music in that particular direction. we should respect that. So many artists make music without any soul or feeling or sometimes just fucking nothing! Atleast they are doing what they feel like doing and not giving a shit about what other people expect them to do. I say Big up to that.
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psyrain
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Posted : Jul 12, 2007 14:14
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IMO trance music is a medium powerful enough to shake your belief system.
So if someone wishes to put forth a political message through the music in order to make the listener wake up and notice an issue, there is no harm done as long as it is done tastefully.
Has anyone heard Shiva - America Wake Up ?
The track has samples from George Dubya's speeches where he makes his signature faux-pas..quite funny listening to them. |
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