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Heathen
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Posted : Jun 20, 2007 22:19
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None of the following should be taken as judgmental, just food for thought:
Politics and psy…a bad combination or a match made in heaven? Isnt the whole LSD/shroom/pot thing a bit dated and played out? Isnt it time that the music moves to a new direction, a breath of fresh ? No need to replace the "tried and true" topics of the past, but how about coexisting, new AND old, dark AND light…..
Vegetal - Free thinkers… is IMO one of the best psytrance releases that I have ever heard. Unfortunately, that mix is generally frowned upon. Why? It would appear that a lot of those into the genre are into political issues (environment, reduce/recycle/reuse mentality, etc.) but seem to shun the mix of music and message. It seems like it is still quite danceable, albeit a bit "hard" in a few areas, so why not combine having fun and spreading a message? It would be an easy why for pertinent topics to be presented in a different way, perhaps enlightening those who would otherwise feel free to ignore it.
I can understand the personal responsibility of making the planet/world/community a better place, and it is very important, but really it is a small portion of the solution. The bigger part is corporations. In order to go against a bigger, stronger enemy, you need more people willing to do that. By using any and all means necessary (i.e. including music) you would be able to make a bigger difference.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 21, 2007 02:57
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I pretty much agree; musicmaking of all kinds has always been a political act - I'm sure that sometimes it's literally the only way a group of people can express their feelings about certain things, eg. repressive fascist governments. This is why certain forms of music receive special attention from the authorities. Here in the UK for example music characterised by 'repetitive beats' is specifically mentioned in criminal laws controlling outdoor events. They're talking about you and me. It therefore seems only right to me that sometimes music has something to say about the conditions under which it must survive, and about the more general social and cultural factors which bring about those conditions. [plug] Check out 'Just A Ride' by Voice of Cod for a 100% political track. [/plug]
The other side of it all is the hedonism aspect; many people go to parties to escape their everyday life and don't appreciate being reminded of the more depressing aspects of our world when they're off their heads. Socially-conscious psytrance music therefore has to tread a fine line between expressing a definite concept (generally through the use of a vocal sample) and not alienating those who just want to dance and get wasted.
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mudpeople
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Posted : Jun 21, 2007 03:08
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Colin said it all...
Sometimes, we need to have that sort of thing shoved in our faces, in order for the ignorant stupor (self induced) to be smashed away. Even the most conscious of us at times find it hard to be mindfull all the time...
Its a good sign that we've scared those in power when they make restrictive laws... YET we still have parties!! Why are they so scared? Are they just so shut-in that they abhor any sign of fun? Are they so attached to bygone societies that they'd forsake true progress in the name of comfort and convenience? Do they have some misguided and childish hope that they can actually dictate the parameters of our entire lives?
Soon enough, IMO, there will be more of us than there are of them, and popular opinions will no longer support such restrictions, and, by default, we'll have won... When they become the dinosaurs, and we, the mammals hiding in the cracks of the world...
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mk47
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Posted : Jun 21, 2007 07:36
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meh .. leave it to Dylan please .. for no other reason but i just think that when people want to put forth a political statement by way of music .. write a song !! .. ok i love those fast beats and crazy sounds , but sorry a sample from a cnn broadcast or some world leader babbling on about something during a breakdown .. followed but killah bassline just fails to drive the point home ..
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Pavel
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Posted : Jun 21, 2007 09:39
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On 2007-06-21 07:36, mk47 wrote:
meh .. leave it to Dylan please .. for no other reason but i just think that when people want to put forth a political statement by way of music .. write a song !! .. ok i love those fast beats and crazy sounds , but sorry a sample from a cnn broadcast or some world leader babbling on about something during a breakdown .. followed but killah bassline just fails to drive the point home ..
my 3 bits ..
take care
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I'll agree with that. The last thing i want when i listen to this music is political messages. Gotta be the silliest idea ever. IMHO. Major turn-off
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shamanizer
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Posted : Jun 21, 2007 10:06
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Hmm... true that music has spread political messages, sometimes more and sometimes less succesfully. I just watched a very nice document about music being used as a political tool e.g. in the east during the cold war music was a major tool to spread political messages aimed towards government oppression.
But what comes to psytrance spreading political messages... its a bit controversial thing... i dont know myself if i'd like to hear political messages in parties in form of short samples, it really depends, i dont see it as a bad thing either, but... maybe messages should be left on cd covers. If there's singing on the track then why not a political message... |
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Heathen
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Posted : Jun 21, 2007 20:52
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Personally, not only is it impossible to escape politics, but doing so is equivalent to giving up and letting the corporations win for the sake of convenience.
Every purchase is political.
Every purchase is a vote.
Every purchase affects the environment.
Every purchase is your conscience.
Every purchase is a prayer.
Every purchase matters.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 21, 2007 21:48
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On 2007-06-21 07:36, mk47 wrote:
ok i love those fast beats and crazy sounds , but sorry a sample from a cnn broadcast or some world leader babbling on about something during a breakdown .. followed but killah bassline just fails to drive the point home ..
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There's more to politics than a George Bush sample. The mere fact that you're dancing to this kind of music whilst (probably) taking some kind of drug is a political act in itself.
To me, all a 'political' track is, is a track that says something about either the world as it is, or the world as the writer wants it to be. Done well, the listener won't even notice.
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Heathen
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Posted : Jun 21, 2007 23:42
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On 2007-06-21 21:48, Colin OOOD wrote:
There's more to politics than a George Bush sample. The mere fact that you're dancing to this kind of music whilst (probably) taking some kind of drug is a political act in itself.
To me, all a 'political' track is, is a track that says something about either the world as it is, or the world as the writer wants it to be. Done well, the listener won't even notice.
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Exactly ....political opinion can be much more abstract that speech and even more clear and subconsciously effective than the spoken word. Pictures are a great way to give a political opinion and can speak more than an entire book. For example, think of the "tank man " in Tinneneman Square. Is there any person on this board (in this world) that does not know the image?
VJ'ing can include these types of powerful images w/o sampling a single word. |
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Anak
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Posted : Jun 22, 2007 00:38
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i very much agree with colin too, saying that "a political track says something about either the world as it is, or the world as the writer wants it to be". creation of art has always been an act of "world-changing", idealistically spoken. by creating art, an artist creates something that the world has been lacking of before in the eyes of the artist.
yet i agree with pavel, too. using samples of the likes he mentioned, is somehow shoving something up people's ass that the creator would have not known how to express otherwise.
it's not psytrance, but a good example for this whole thing would be the band "Goodspeed You Black Emperor!". they use no lyrics in their music (apart from spoken words they record during their journeys), but yet their music is as political as it can get, and they manage to express that through their music only, as well as the packaging of their records.
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CRX(HSS Records)
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Posted : Jun 22, 2007 00:42
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the change must start from within
the psytrance party is a way to expand your possibilities
isra used to b a trippy place
now its 2 macho shit
expand ppl
join the tribe and make the world looks like home
and that's the only politic I can go in here
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Psynaesthesian
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Posted : Jun 22, 2007 01:01
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i've never heard of any arena of politics that has promoted "all" the arts except the ones pertaining to history and those that can put their respective countries on the revenue map .... to me politics is still pure lust for money ... maybe cos of my experiences in my country, so this may be a subjective point ..... my opinoin is that psy can never synergise with politics, that's for sure!!
So far as quotes in music are concerned, maybe the artist is just trying to get a viewpoint across .. make u ponder ...laugh even, if its a Bush quote!
Should be enjoyed none the less!!
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Heathen
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Posted : Jun 22, 2007 01:02
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Sure, change starts from within, but really, how much power does one person have? Not as much as two. No where near the power of 100. Unless utopia is only in the mind, networking is needed to make real changes in the real world.
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Are you saying politics is somehow "macho shit".... sorry, I dont really understand what you are saying. We all use to be single celled organisms as well, but people, as does music and ideas, evolve into something better than what once was. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 22, 2007 17:53
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On 2007-06-22 01:01, Psynaesthesian wrote:
i've never heard of any arena of politics that has promoted "all" the arts except the ones pertaining to history and those that can put their respective countries on the revenue map .... to me politics is still pure lust for money ... maybe cos of my experiences in my country, so this may be a subjective point ..... my opinoin is that psy can never synergise with politics, that's for sure!! |
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So a concerned parent trying to get the speed limit reduced in their street because their child was killed by a car is lusting for money? How about working to change the system of voting in your country so that all views have an equal chance of representation - is that lusting for money? Both are politics. Politics for me is the way individuals interact with their society.
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Cos your girlie liked the taste
Your infected by the tease
Political
So your sexy guilty braids
Made your body smell of mace
So debauched in your slick mink
Political
Yes it's fucking political
Everythings political
Yes it's fucking political
Everythings satirical
Yes it's fucking political
Everythings political
The wild ones like to hide
As the diry priest confides
In the love of baby whores
Political
Negative are all your views
So you to can prop up your fake cool
A puppet all the same
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It is incredibly sad (no no no I won't get depressed about it) that when someone says 'politics', so many people just think of politicians. Together we have the power to change the world, and one reason why 'politicians' don't like people getting together to share ideas and possibilities is that they know this, and don't want the knowledge to spread.
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kriz
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Posted : Jun 22, 2007 20:58
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