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Alien Bug
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Posted : Jan 17, 2012 17:42
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 17, 2012 18:02
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i use it mostly like this too and by remove the automatic output compensation, maximum flexibilty...i mix the dry and wet till it sound good ,depending the sound i use the filters for frequency specific saturation and blend it back with the dry signal with removing the output compensation adjusting it manualy after i adjusted the mix knob and then fine tune everyhting.
it make sense to use it in a send too for more frequency dependant processing with a eq
the plug is specific to the gain you send to it, it will be more transparent at lower gain giving you more range from "subbtle" to brutal and i find it can sound better too.
this plug can befinit to be used with lower analog like level the things we discussed in a other thread |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 17, 2012 21:26
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For some reason I find that (at least for bass) I get better results out of an Audio Effect Rack with a clean chain and a chain with Decapitator at 100% wet mixed in lower (or for non-ableton users, decapitator on a send mixed in lower) than when I use it as an insert and don't do 100% wet.
and I may be wrong, but isn't using it as an insert with a dry/wet not parallel processing?
I thought parallel processing was duplicating a signal, applying FX (usually compression/distortion/saturation) harder/intenser than you would on an insert and then mix that into the original signal
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Jan 17, 2012 22:56
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 18, 2012 00:35
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Just did a check in ableton on the newest track I'm writing...
Did a bunch of A/B comparisons with it as an insert or in an audio effect rack alongside a clean chain..and while there was no tonal difference , the channel was louder and felt a little fuller - very slight though. Peak was higher by ~.75db
I'm completely open to being wrong here, but this is how I understand it:
Using it as an insert, say 50% wet. You get 50% of your original signal dry, and then 50% of the signal is coming out of the Decapitator.
Using it in an audio effect rack/on a send you get 100% of your original signal, and then a signal that's 100% wet from Decapitator.
My understanding of the concept may be wrong, but to me the first example is just using a plugin as an insert and the second is true parallel processing as there are two completely different audio signals that are being mixed together.
That seems to make a noticeable difference - especially as when I do it this way I tend to push the drive and whatnot a bit harder than I would when I use it as an insert.
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Jan 18, 2012 01:24
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 18, 2012 02:27
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what i find a bit weird is that the overall output volume constrol is not the sum of the dry and wet signal.. from memorie it s juste the wet signal , i find it help to have more control on the sound to adjust it manually as you can mix the wet signal loud with the dry. it s usefull when just saturating a part of a sound, like the mid highs for example, as if you turn the wet/dry knob too much the sound beocme thin as you removed all the bass out of it with the filter,so mixing it more in the dry singnal so the sound dont become thin and boosting the output volume manu!lly to blend back the wet signal work well
i find it not very logical and maybe it s not right but what ever work..
just had some fun on a bassline trying sylenth into it, into my culture vulture too, dunno why i still don t like much.. it s tight but the oscillatori find it not really suited, i would need to eq it a bit more maybe but then i compared to zebra and i found the sound instanely better, phatter imo , lot of pressure in the low end too, too much..
i couldnt stand zebra for years to make psy bassline but now i love it, it s so flexible ,strange taste change..the new 2.5 filters help too.. making the sound more creamy and phat |
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klippel
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Posted : Jan 18, 2012 08:12
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On 2012-01-18 02:27, PoM wrote:
i couldnt stand zebra for years to make psy bassline but now i love it, it s so flexible ,strange taste change..the new 2.5 filters help too.. making the sound more creamy and phat
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same here mate, i never used it for bass, thought its sounding way to plastic and hollow at first. now almost all my baselines are from zebra. with the filter update that happened sometime ago and with getting to know the envelopes better it turns out to be THE shit for bass and has such a nice timbre to go with, sounding more characterfull than the ultraclean sylenth i do almost everything else now with zebra btw, omni and zebra is all i need in the moment!
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 18, 2012 08:21
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what filter type and envs do you use in zebra? I love zebra but i keep going back to sylenth...though I feel that zebra should be able to outperform it
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 18, 2012 13:39
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when playing a little while comparing to sylenth i ended with the xml in analog mode but i think some other filters are good maybe better for bassline...some may sound faster if i remember..., i used lp4 around 35 with 10/15 overload and full keyboard tracking.
i a/bed quickly all the envelop and ended using the normal module with the more where you can set the curve from linear to exponential don t remmeber exactly all the settings but i think the envelop curve was around -70 ,filter envelop decay around 20/25 no sustain and envelop amount around 80.
i removed the smooth attack thingy too,i almost alway remove it for sound with percussive attack.
the oscillator i use the second mode and set the points to draw just the positive part of a saw (you need only 3 points and set the top one high to taste ) then chnage the linear behavior to round the ramp with the setting for it.
i think it s since i use the oscillaor like this is a big part what i like the bassline. and a bit of overload is nice too, but i still use decap on top in the chain... eq ,compression then decap, i used it like this.
maybe sylenth is more your taste, sylenth can really cut razor shape , while zebra can be phat,thick easier |
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klippel
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Posted : Jan 18, 2012 14:11
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play with the expander in the osc fx section of the oscillator. play with the slope modes off them filter envelopes.. use dual osc for instant phat stereoish but solid baselines.. draw lil spikes in the waveform for variations as pom mentioned.. possibilities are insanely vast with zebra.
the filter drive gives nice results as well and changes the tone smoothly with increasing values..
also play with the xmf filter and small fm amounts on the bass for soft to hard rubberness.. have to look up which filter i mostly use at home but playing is crucial anyway.
and yes sylenth is very clean and cuts nicely, zebra does have a more round an phat timbre to it that i personally like
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 18, 2012 14:16
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yeah i like the round tone !
what i need to experiment is to tune the filter and then use the key tracking so it track each note and stay tuned...note sure it will be usefull at all as it don t selfoscillate on a psybass...but just something i was thinking to try..
about the filters if i remember in the past i used the xcite and a other one of that list with great sucess with their own drive +/or the xml overload...and offoucrse the xml filters that work nicely but maybe not the punchiest one |
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klippel
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Posted : Jan 18, 2012 15:03
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not the punchiest one but with some creamy overtones anyway for soft rubberness if needed..
we should rename this thread to "the church of zebra thread" if we continue further to verbally masterbate on its pure awesomness 
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 18, 2012 15:15
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did you used diva mate? the sound quality/cpu ratio is not as good as zebra but it also awesome ! and not as simple as it seems at first sight, mixing the modules there is load of sonic possibilites |
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klippel
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Posted : Jan 18, 2012 15:27
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jep tried it, was really impressed by the pure quality it has.. but honestly, i would buy it for divine mode only and then my cpu is maxed out with a simple chord.. but damn the filters sound almost there in terms in analogue body and pressure.. + filter mods and sweeps have real balls. nice timbre to it as well, huge sound for sure... anyway due to it beeing so resource hungry i will skip it until i have another computer, which actually could take some time. for now zebra and trillian with + uad comp/eq do the job 
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"I've always been a believer in musical repetition to draw in the listener and make the music hypnotic. Another thing I believe in is repetition." Alan Parsons |
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