psymartin
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Posted : May 31, 2014 13:02:33
Okay those Hi-tech psytrance leads...What hardware is able to create those? I know almost every hi-tech artists uses Access virus TI snow or the TI desktop. But is there any other hardware able to create those powerfull fm leads? NI massive, albino, FM8 ect does not com close to that sound. Any ideas?
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Posted : May 31, 2014 14:12
V-Synth 2.0
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frisbeehead
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Posted : May 31, 2014 14:55
Access Virus TI snow or TI desktop is exactly the same synth engine: only difference, besides the physical interface is in polyphony and number of multi parts available - snow with 4, desktop, polar and big one with 16. It's the same synth!
Ok, now to answer your question: any instrument with audio rate modulation can give you FM, and there's tons of them. U-he's Bazille isn't hardware and can run circles 'round the Virus on that department, and so can tons of modular euro rack stuff - where it got its inspiration from. Virus has some special sounds, due to its many waveforms and modulation capabilities, but doesn't go everywhere. For instance: can't do filter FM there, LFOs don't get to audio rate speed - unlike the Nord Lead, for example, which can do this but is much more limited on other stuff.
Albino actually is perfectly capable of producing very interesting FM leads and is/was used a lot by pretty much everyone. Zebra 2 is another one, Massive can actually do interesting FM sounds to, well, using it's modulation oscillator. You don't need no fancy equipment to get those leads if you ask me - you need more knowledge
keep your money until you can judge more wisely the ups and downs of instruments.
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Posted : May 31, 2014 16:04
What about a nord modular?
I'm sure you will have the sound that you looking for...just needs time to learn the whole system ...into the wild....
frisbeehead
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Posted : May 31, 2014 18:22
^indeed, but it's (kind of) pricey for something that's no longer supported and can be an issue with more recent software, like Mac OS mavericks for instance. but it's indeed one of the most capable beasts out there for sound design geeks.
psymartin
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Posted : May 31, 2014 18:29
hehe yes i know they are the same I honest still dosent think the albino can come close. It dosent have the same depth and that powerfull unison spread which gives the "hi-tech leads" so much presence. But dident know about the U´He i will try it out!
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except for the Unison, there's tons of good Fm lead sounds you can get out of Albino. Plus there's a couple of ways to add extra grit:
such as: with minimal filter env> filter cut off mod, if you use the arp with a real fast setting, like 1/32 or 1/64 (then adjust length to taste or automate), you can sort of loop all envelope modulations quite fast, nice for extra grit if you will - all of this gets more audible and nasty with distortion introduced afterwards.
LFOS don't get to audio rate speed in Albino, but using a small amount of lfo>osc pitch with fast settings (trick is to find the right spot as usual) coupled with oscillator FM can also open the door for some surprising sounds. Then there's hard sync coupled with FM, the sub oscillators with the analogue oscillators can change the timbre a lot, so can the symmetry of the waveform. having two hard synced oscillators set some octaves apart and pitch modulating the carrier is another cool thing to try. combining spectral waves (with the digital oscillators) and the analogue oscillators is also cool. Symmetry on the digital morphs from left wave to right wave, this can also be modulated to kraft some interesting sounds. Then there's the spread knob (that's sort like detuned unison voices)...
With good saturation that introduces nice and juicy harmonics, or distortion or bit crushing added later on, you can get screeching guitar like sounds or ripping speaker metal sounds or anything in between.
Virus has a "special" (at least for me) positive triangle FM mode. Try and use rectify on Bazzile, to make all values positive with a triangle LFO (same as oscillator really) and make that output pitch modulate another oscillator - surprisingly close to my ears (perhaps even a touch better tbh lol)
filter saturation is also cool and can be modulated as well. Albino still is a very cool instrument for exactly the kind of sounds you're looking for (me thinks) cheers
Sunrise Travellers
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Posted : Jun 1, 2014 16:18
Albino is a great vst! Still using it sometimes here and there for various sounds and agree here with frisbeehead about the killer fm leads that you can get of this.
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Posted : Jun 1, 2014 18:47
>>rez II wave on common oscillators on Bazille is also a triangle, that's missing from my earlier post. easier to tune (and fine tune) this one then LFO
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Build a digital modular unit. Once I've finished my 9u of Intellijel & MakeNoise for techno/goa I'm building a system completely of The Harvestman modules with some basic. Doepfer.
I honest still dosent think the albino can come close. It dosent have the same depth and that powerfull unison spread which gives the "hi-tech leads" so much presence. But dident know about the U´He 
i will try it out! 
