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Posted : May 23, 2006 14:58
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Every genre got it's psychedelic influences. Or even better, smoker friendly sub-genres =). - Once it was very easy to put music in boxes. You had Rock, POP and Electronic music (And for the 4/4 oriented electronic music, EDM). Now that we live in the future. We got a million sub-genres within every genre which is both disturbing and impressive imo. But for most people, It's damn confusing I tell you! - As we all know, human beings love to box everything to get a sense of "understanding" and “system”. EDM is a brilliant name for a genre. It's electronic dance music, simple! But slice EDM up, and viola! You got Goa-Trance (Not RIP, but a little bit RIP), Psy-trance, Dance, Full-on, Euro-Trance, Tech-Trance, Progg-Trance ect ect.. Eskimo once said it right when asked if he makes psy-trance or Goa-Trance. He replied that he makes Electronic Dance Music. Which sub-genre you would like to box it in is up to you. But all in all, it's EDM. Good point, especially when thinking about his music in particular. It seems to me that a lot of "psy-trance" is nothing more the EDM (like Skazi and a lot of (Neo-)Full-On which is too often labelled "psy-trance" in my objective opinion. But there IS also plenty of releases out there that IS Psytrance as in psychedelic trance and truly deserve the label "psy-trance". What I am saying is that if you do choose to label and box everything as we all seem to love in some extent. Then at least try to box it right. - House got the same thing. You got all of these both good and bad (depends on taste) sub-genres. As Deep-House (leaning more against the psychedelic realms), Soul-House & Funky-House (often associated to the term Gay-House), Trance-House, Tech-House, Progg-House ect ect.
Sometimes I feel that we, all of us is so obsessed about labelling everything, that it makes me a bit sick.
Well, this was just some short, small and simple thoughts about genres.
Would you like to add anything from your own head, or maybe even disagree with something that I wrote? 
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makus
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Posted : May 23, 2006 15:18
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Thanks man :-) I appreciate it.
::Someone once said:
"Good music is good music, psychedelic music is psychedelic music.
Often, it's about taste. But to rare, it's about objective taste.
Personal taste is all good. But no worth if you cant see objective angles." .. Oh wait, that was me :P
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Posted : May 23, 2006 15:59
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On 2006-05-23 15:18, psytones wrote:
Thanks man  I appreciate it.
::Someone once said:
"Good music is good music, psychedelic music is psychedelic music.
Often, it's about taste. But to rare, it's about objective taste.
Personal taste is all good. But no worth if you cant see objective angles." .. Oh wait, that was me 
Even sub-genres got sub-genres.
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Impressive. How on earth you managed to kiss your ass bending over your beck?
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Posted : May 23, 2006 16:07
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Easy, I just desided to do it. Power of the mind Nathen, power of the mind. - You like the "Jante" law Nathen?
Jante Law
1. You shall not think that you are special.
2. You shall not think that you are of the same standing as us.
3. You shall not think that you are smarter than us.
4. Don't fancy yourself as being better than us.
5. You shall not think that you know more than us.
6. You shall not think that you are more important than us.
7. You shall not think that you are good at anything.
8. You shall not laugh at us.
9. You shall not think that anyone cares about you.
10. You shall not think that you can teach us anything.
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Nathan
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Posted : May 23, 2006 16:23
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On 2006-05-23 16:07, psytones wrote:
Easy, I just desided to do it. Power of the mind Nathen, power of the mind. - You like the "Jante" law Nathen?
Jante Law
1. You shall not think that you are special.
2. You shall not think that you are of the same standing as us.
3. You shall not think that you are smarter than us.
4. Don't fancy yourself as being better than us.
5. You shall not think that you know more than us.
6. You shall not think that you are more important than us.
7. You shall not think that you are good at anything.
8. You shall not laugh at us.
9. You shall not think that anyone cares about you.
10. You shall not think that you can teach us anything.
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yes i am the 'big Brother' and a Telescreen sound be installed ASAP in you house.
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makus
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Posted : May 23, 2006 16:55
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'psychedelic' is not only about music for sure, as in music, psychedlic is not only about trance. though psytrance is psychedelic 'a must', commercialization gives it other directions of developing. its not bad/good, its just matter of evolving.
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Posted : May 23, 2006 17:27
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I agree 100%, especially about Psy-trance is psychedelic "a must". But that it is just a matter of evolving? .. Ah! You mean natural evolution? Yes, and it's "just" the way things are, end of story. Doesn’t matter if it's "right" or "wrong". But do one have to agree with all that is evolution? Do one have to like the way certain things are evolving? Well, I for one enjoy to sit back, relax, and watch it all happen. But sometimes one feel that it has been evolving in to a blind zone. And boom, 2012 will make it's mark? Yes, natural evolution and all that it contains is both interesting and funny. .. Psychedelic is a "drug" (jukk, it's not a drug man!) effect. Not a music genre. But of course. Take some acid and play the guitar, and you'll properly be able to produce psychedelic-rock. Oh but this is illegal and way off topic. So lets try to not talk (just) drugs in this thread. It will then get locked =(
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makus
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Posted : May 23, 2006 19:08
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i didn't mean drugs by "psychedelic". right use of right drugs help to see the psychedelic side, though drugs aren't "a must" for feeling/being/making psychedelic (bla bla bla bla). end of line =)
i mean "natural evolution". if psytrance (as is, and i underline the word PSY) can make other genres to be born out of itself, isn't that makes PSYtrance even more powerful? If there are many commercial releases, that aren't so psychedelic, but they are good at dancefloors, isn't that good? As for me i would be more happy to jump @ gms live then most house dj/musicians, though i didn't listen to GMS for some years already =) anyway, the worst can be said is that real psy releases aren't growing in numbers comparing to 1995? 1999? 2000? 2012? (what is the most psy year you think?), though the culture is growing.
and for a time it is good (c)
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Posted : May 23, 2006 19:25
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funny
Just a short comment. I wrote psychedelic as the pure word "psychedelic" is a "drug effect".
The word it self was made to explain the effect felt on a psychedelic substance.
.. But this is so off-topic.
As you said about "Full-On" (A sub-genre inspired by multiple other above genres such as trance and psychedelic-trance) can still be good as long as you dont want it to be twisted psychedelic trippy shit. Of course there is good dance banger music. But I will just refer to EDM (and Eskimo). It's EDM, not psy-trance. EDM is the mother of all electronic dance oriented music. Skazi could be called psycho-trance, Chemical-trance or just, EDM =) (as an example)
best year? Every year? Releases such as "Psykovsky - Psykovsky" proved yet again that time-less music does exist. If Psykovsky's album would have been released in 1997 or 2006 (as it was) wouldn’t have made a difference. It is totally timeless, just as "PSY" should be. Without time, boarders and restrictions. Hell, "real" psychedelic trance is HARD to dance to on a typical dance floor. Put on "Hallucinogenic Horse" if you are a DJ. I love all years.
Oh, I guess the most "psy" year was before GOA became a product. When people made EDM to please their trip. Dancing on the beaches of Goa, enjoying life, the sun, the moon and the rest. Guess the 80's? (Even though I cant recall hearing anything from that period.)
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Psytones : You bring up some good points in your opening text. Its true that we as humains like to label things so we can understand them better, and even once labelled, its fucken hard to explain why each track fits into its subgenre. I sometimes try to explain to my non-psytrance girlfriend how to tell the difference between, say, Silicon Sound and Son Kite.. they are both psytrance, but one's more progressive, but then again, Silicon is also progressive, one had melodies, but wait, they both have melodies.. ok, so the bpm's are different.. so does that make all music at a slower bpm progressive? Its fucked up i tell you !! hehe..
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Posted : May 23, 2006 22:37
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good point clown. the only distinction these subgenre's have is well... they sound a little different, huh. it is diffcult to explain it to someone that it isn't used to psy trance in general, but if you hear from son kite to penta, they are different things.
For the sake of the argument let's compare it to wine. How do you explain the different kinds of wine to someone who dosen't drink it? Yeah there is Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot, Riesling. But yes, they are all made out of grapes... and.. they all have a little alcohol. So yeah, they are all just 'grape juice' in the end
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Posted : May 23, 2006 23:23
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exactly!(both of you)
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And the answer to that would be =)
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On 2006-05-23 22:37, Rah wrote:
For the sake of the argument let's compare it to wine. How do you explain the different kinds of wine to someone who dosen't drink it? Yeah there is Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot, Riesling. But yes, they are all made out of grapes... and.. they all have a little alcohol. So yeah, they are all just 'grape juice' in the end
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