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Observation on Psyshop & Saiko Sounds Top 10
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PsyUNIT
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Posted : Oct 24, 2005 07:45
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Just an observation that I have made:
The two biggest psy web shops Psyshop & Saiko Sounds both have Top 10 CD section (based on cd sales). These Top 10 cd’s are mostly almost 90% different from each other i.e. only 1 or 2 cd’s will be common in both the lists.
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/Charts.html
http://www.saikosounds.com/english/top_ten.asp
Now assuming Psyshop sells mostly to the western world and Saiko Sounds sells to the eastern part of the world does this reflect the completely different tastes in music of boths these parts of the world ?
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Oct 24, 2005 08:28
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I think more likely it reflects different sub-types of trancer, distributed in relatively even ratios the world over.
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aje
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Posted : Oct 24, 2005 09:37
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the psyshop charts are defintely rigged. the labels that buy advertisements there are always in the top spots, in case you havent noticed.
Case in point, Sinn-Tec Records. Usually theres only full-on in the psyshop tops, except sinn-tec releaeses, which always make it to number 1. But, in you hardly ever see Sinn Tec records reviewed here, and if so, only by a few people. Also Sinntec releaes are not nearly as talked about as Iboga releases in the prog. scene for example. And Sinntec always buys extra banners on psyshop, gofigure...l
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Krell
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Posted : Oct 24, 2005 13:36
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On 2005-10-24 09:37, aje wrote:
the psyshop charts are defintely rigged. the labels that buy advertisements there are always in the top spots, in case you havent noticed.
Case in point, Sinn-Tec Records. Usually theres only full-on in the psyshop tops, except sinn-tec releaeses, which always make it to number 1. But, in you hardly ever see Sinn Tec records reviewed here, and if so, only by a few people. Also Sinntec releaes are not nearly as talked about as Iboga releases in the prog. scene for example. And Sinntec always buys extra banners on psyshop, gofigure...l
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I dont think you can conclude that the top 10 is rigged, and saying so is really not the right thing to do since you cant prove it. Rigged means they changed it, falsified it...
However, you do point to what is apparently an inmportant factor here - and that is commercials on the sites. I think we can conclude that commercials on the sites work.
Unless of course they ARE rigged, but I will trust both shops unless they give me cause for anything else.
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Nathan
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Posted : Oct 24, 2005 14:33
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Most of the Trance ppl of the world who buys, do in on line?
I really would like to know the statistics of this.
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rumble pack / motion drive
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Posted : Oct 24, 2005 15:31
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On 2005-10-24 13:36, Krell wrote:
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On 2005-10-24 09:37, aje wrote:
the psyshop charts are defintely rigged. the labels that buy advertisements there are always in the top spots, in case you havent noticed.
Case in point, Sinn-Tec Records. Usually theres only full-on in the psyshop tops, except sinn-tec releaeses, which always make it to number 1. But, in you hardly ever see Sinn Tec records reviewed here, and if so, only by a few people. Also Sinntec releaes are not nearly as talked about as Iboga releases in the prog. scene for example. And Sinntec always buys extra banners on psyshop, gofigure...l
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I dont think you can conclude that the top 10 is rigged, and saying so is really not the right thing to do since you cant prove it. Rigged means they changed it, falsified it...
However, you do point to what is apparently an inmportant factor here - and that is commercials on the sites. I think we can conclude that commercials on the sites work.
Unless of course they ARE rigged, but I will trust both shops unless they give me cause for anything else.
Best Wishes
Krell
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for shure they are rigged...
its very simple...some labels have exclusiv deals with psy shop, trance shop or whatever..
so its just logic, that those distributers promote their exclusiv stuff much more then the rest, wich gets sold on all the other net-distributers aswell...
same goes for the "CD of the week"...its always the labels who have exclusiv deals with psyshop who gets in their...
its all only about promo...
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aje
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Posted : Oct 24, 2005 16:08
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On 2005-10-24 13:36, Krell wrote:
I dont think you can conclude that the top 10 is rigged, and saying so is really not the right thing to do since you cant prove it. Rigged means they changed it, falsified it...
However, you do point to what is apparently an inmportant factor here - and that is commercials on the sites. I think we can conclude that commercials on the sites work.
Unless of course they ARE rigged, but I will trust both shops unless they give me cause for anything else.
Best Wishes
Krell
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of course rigged means they falsified it,thats my whole point. that whole chart is just one big pile of BS, just observe it for a while, it makes no sense at all. And you cant tell me that just because of a stupid banner more people buy a cd....
of course I dont have 100% proof, but i have a brain to detect the BS when I see it.another example, laureth owns plusquam records and compiles many cds for his label, but they never go higher than no.8 or 7. he compiled one for sinn-tec, and it goes straight to the top. i think its weird that the releases of one of the newest and not very well known (and not very good,IMHO)progressive labels always chart a lot higher than Iboga or Digital Structures releases, who get a lot more hype and many more reviews.
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Surrender
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i agree with aje, i dont know if its smart to make accusations without solid proof (WMDs in Iraq case as an example  ) but something is definately off there. i dont see how those charts reflect reality and i also see a corolation between advertisers and positions on the chart.
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Bloodclot
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Posted : Oct 24, 2005 16:53
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I havent ever come across it looking rigged. Always seen new complilation climbing up to where they really belong on psyshop.com.. and gradually off the charts after a week or so`
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sethspun
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Posted : Oct 24, 2005 17:09
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it is rigged to an extent ...if you use psyshop exclusive for e.u then you get in there top ten and if you dont you get nothing ...when spun was exclusive we were always no.1 ,now we dont even get to the top ten ,even though the sales are the same most top tens are bullshit promo like evrything else these days what a wacky scene it has become !!!!!!!!!peace seth |
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rumble pack / motion drive
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Posted : Oct 24, 2005 17:22
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On 2005-10-24 17:09, sethspun wrote:
it is rigged to an extent ...if you use psyshop exclusive for e.u then you get in there top ten and if you dont you get nothing ...when spun was exclusive we were always no.1 ,now we dont even get to the top ten ,even though the sales are the same most top tens are bullshit promo like evrything else these days what a wacky scene it has become !!!!!!!!!peace seth
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as i said befor....only the xclusiv labels get those promos...
of course psyshop makes more money from the exclusivs...so they want to sell and promote them more
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Krell
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Posted : Oct 24, 2005 18:09
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On 2005-10-24 16:44, Surrender wrote:
i agree with aje, i dont know if its smart to make accusations without solid proof (WMDs in Iraq case as an example ) but something is definately off there. i dont see how those charts reflect reality and i also see a corolation between advertisers and positions on the chart.
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I dont like accusations which are made without proof - If there is no proof, I dont think people should make them. At the very least, people should document that sort of stuff very thouroughly.
Many factors might lead to sales being higher for some labels - What I know is that what sells isnt always what is good - It is about PR, and how you market things.
I know, if I was running a CD shop, I wouldnt mess with this sort of data, it simply would not be worth it.
Also, it seems very weird to me that both shops should do this.
To give you an example of how charts cannot be trusted just go to www.thedjlist.com and look up "goa" - I dont really think thats very representative of anything but who was able to rally support for his name / do the best PR on certain internet sites.
Maybe its the same thing with these 2 shops - If they have labels with whom they work together very closely, they might give them more promotion and support via news, mails etc.
The charts are made from 1 figure, and that is what sells on their sites - and only their sites... Its not representative of anything but that... and as such, they might very well be credible.
If anyone can prove otherwise, they should - and if not, I dont think people should throw blank accusations around like that.
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aje
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Posted : Oct 24, 2005 18:28
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Krell
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Posted : Oct 24, 2005 19:00
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@aje
I dont really see any proof there - Only indications that point to tampering.
Its not the same. There could be plenty of reasons why the spun releases are no longer in the top 10.
Why dont you guys email psyshop and saikosounds and ask them ? 
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