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ocelot
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Posted : Dec 15, 2007 06:10
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On 2007-12-08 17:59, Zinduka wrote:
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Remember when you could hear trance, breaks, techno and downtempo in a big warehouse with an old school vibe? Remember back in the good old days?
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i wasn't here on those good old days... but from what i learned from previous events in SOMARTS is that it is true that you can hear all the music, mainly because the acoustics are terrible at this place....
In the good old days we had parties OUTSIDE even if it was cold and raining...
PSYTRANCE HAS NOTHING TO LOOK FOR INDOOR
i really like the idea of an old school party, but you have to really go old school if you want it to happen not just play old music....
but then again i went to a different school then most of you 
my 2cents
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be sure to bitch like this at every indoor party ever posted on isra and i can accept what you say. there is something to that.
however otherwise i just think you are picking on this party.
Somarts is way cooler than any Bar or Club that ever existed IMO but whatever.
sounds like the theme etc is in response to some requests from the forum/scene/dancefloor... so should be fun. best of luck on this.
rock out.
happy new year! |
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ocelot
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Posted : Dec 15, 2007 06:18
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On 2007-12-10 01:06, olowanpi wrote:
what can i say
yes somarts is not the perfect location but the best we can have right now and i am really glad there is people like john who is doing all the hard work so that we can have a good time...
so instead of complaining try to find better location
or ways to improve our scene that would be definitive more helpful
and thanks christine or posting johns email
i think that says it all !!!
all the best and i am really looking forward to this event
especially to play again some of the best music ever made on this planet............
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i think somarts is a pretty location actually.
name one big warehouse with GOOD acoustics.
(shall i tell you the story of the party in the underground parking ramp in tokyo? my head nearly exploded...concrete + slapback echoes)
solution? hang vertical fabric/textile/backdrops from the ceiling to break up high frequency reflections. clog up that vertical overhead space with STUFF and the acoustics improve...
if san francisco people are so fucking spoiled they can bitch about somarts i have nothing to say...
except maybe get a life.
anyway- have a fun new years. |
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konvndrvm
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 07:33
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On 2007-12-15 06:18, ocelot wrote:
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On 2007-12-10 01:06, olowanpi wrote:
what can i say
yes somarts is not the perfect location but the best we can have right now and i am really glad there is people like john who is doing all the hard work so that we can have a good time...
so instead of complaining try to find better location
or ways to improve our scene that would be definitive more helpful
and thanks christine or posting johns email
i think that says it all !!!
all the best and i am really looking forward to this event
especially to play again some of the best music ever made on this planet............
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i think somarts is a pretty location actually.
name one big warehouse with GOOD acoustics.
(shall i tell you the story of the party in the underground parking ramp in tokyo? my head nearly exploded...concrete + slapback echoes)
solution? hang vertical fabric/textile/backdrops from the ceiling to break up high frequency reflections. clog up that vertical overhead space with STUFF and the acoustics improve...
if san francisco people are so fucking spoiled they can bitch about somarts i have nothing to say...
except maybe get a life.
anyway- have a fun new years.
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hallelujahahahahahahaha.
and as long as the psy stage is in the middle room or the long big room im a happy camper.
but bad acoustics wont stop me from going to any party by the way... i just get close enough to the speaker where i cant notice strange echoes anymore 
side note:
pascal's sound and john's sound is absolutely awesome, and every single party ive been to at somarts since 05' has been a truly wonderful and touching experience (especially this years love afterparty oh man gaspard was great) .
eventhough i prefer outdoor to indoor...
id be happy to party there even in the middle of summer. who cares, as long as there is good talent right?
one thing id like to mention before i go is, it's so simple for people to come on here and complain about the simple and petty things and not consciously realize all the hard work and dedication thats required to keep these parties going.
BIG THANKS AND BIG HUGS TO PEOPLE LIKE John W. AND OTHER CREWS THAT PUT THEIR NECK ON THE LINE AND DONT MIND LOSING A COUPLE BUCKS SO PEOPLE CAN HAVE A GREAT TIME TOGETHER AND DANCE THE NIGHT AWAY! YOU'RE THE BACKBONE AND STAPLE HOLDING THIS THING TOGETHER. PROPS!
btw aaron i saw the pix of that party with the concrete pillars from last year or so, that must have been a total PITA!!!! haha looked like fun nonetheless.
just my 2copperpennies
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tantra SF
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Posted : Dec 19, 2007 04:52
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Well we all know that the sound at SomArts (and all big warehouses) can be quite echo-y. One of the problems with the trance parties getting smaller is that organizers don't have the budget to hire equipment and people to do all the little extras that make a party great. Renting enough sound curtains, a sissors lift and then finding competent reliable volunteers (haha) or hiring people to do this of course would be great for every SomArts party. Not always possible however, sadly. A SomArts NYE party is already a 3 full day production, it's not a cruise in and throw up some tapestries and blacklights type of party space. It needs a lot of work and a lot of people to make the building the best it can be. But SomArts always has a sweet cultural center vibe that is necessary for a trance party. Trance never worked well in clubs, IMO. So where else in SF for a large NYE trance party?
Fortunately, this NYE we'll have those extra touches, in part because Freak Nasty will bring in more people so we can pay for the extra equipment and staff. We're renting a huge amount of sound curtaining and a lift, so we'll make the sound the best we can.
The trance will be in the long room in the front, that room has much better acoustics than in the big back room. Liam is back from Egypt so we'll have the Tantra sound dialed in, four corners with extra bass re-inforcementb.
The big echo-y back room at Somarts will be the Freak Nasty breaks room, so we'll be hanging LOTS of curtains in there. Pascal will do sound in that room so we'll get it as best as we can. And a room packed with people also does wonders for softening the sound and I think that we will have that for NYE.
Thanks to all those who appreciate the effort, that's why we keep doing it.
John |
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Zinduka
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Posted : Dec 19, 2007 05:32
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First of all,
I guess i was a bit harsh on judging this party before it happened based on last years' experiences (on the sound side, musically it's a taste issue and has nothing to do with this post)
so my apologies for that, it wasn't fair on my side, and i hope this year's production will prove me wrong and the sound will be great.
But for me the image of an old school is different - and when i saw the post it made me think how great it was in those days, and wish that there really was an old school party - which doesn't take into consideration the cold, the amount of people that will come, etc. it's a bunch of friends taking a sound system out and spending time together.
a big part of it was taking a step away from civilization and the city life, and allowing the music to roam free in the open.
the problem of no easy outdoor spots in SF is not new, and i'm glad that there are people like John here that are committed to throw parties no matter what - it is definatly an old school characteristic - without that i would have came here and had no one and no where to listen to psy,
but honestly we all know it is a compromise.
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konvndrvm
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Posted : Dec 19, 2007 07:11
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i dont feel like its a compromise at all...
*and*
i love partying at somArts in the fall and winter seasons...
it rains and sleets and it's as cold as a sadist's teet right around now!
there really is no alternative...
so helter skelter gimmie some shelter!
blimey already.
-J-o_h-a_n-n
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 19, 2007 21:20
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On 2007-12-19 05:32, Zinduka wrote:
First of all,
I guess i was a bit harsh on judging this party before it happened based on last years' experiences (on the sound side, musically it's a taste issue and has nothing to do with this post)
so my apologies for that, it wasn't fair on my side, and i hope this year's production will prove me wrong and the sound will be great.
But for me the image of an old school is different - and when i saw the post it made me think how great it was in those days, and wish that there really was an old school party - which doesn't take into consideration the cold, the amount of people that will come, etc. it's a bunch of friends taking a sound system out and spending time together.
a big part of it was taking a step away from civilization and the city life, and allowing the music to roam free in the open.
the problem of no easy outdoor spots in SF is not new, and i'm glad that there are people like John here that are committed to throw parties no matter what - it is definatly an old school characteristic - without that i would have came here and had no one and no where to listen to psy,
but honestly we all know it is a compromise.
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Shai, if you're talking about old-school Goa parties you should bear in mind how it really was, back in the day, for people who didn't have year-round access to fine weather and remote uninhabited areas of natural beauty. In the UK AND in the US, as well as pretty much any other Northern-Hemisphere country where Goa took hold in the mid-90s, most parties were held in clubs and warehouses. What you describe as 'old-school parties' are what most people I know would refer to as 'free parties'. There were old-school free-parties for sure, where we'd get a bunch of friends together in a disused quarry or a forest or a field somewhere and party our asses off to fine fine Goa Trance, but many of the all-time great parties happened indoors where it was possible (both physically and financially) to use proper big sound-systems and to have a decent amount of decor - and to provide a space where more than 50 people at a time could forget their humdrum existence and dance themselves into a different world without having to consider getting cold and wet, or the fact that they're there illegally and could get busted at any minute.
Taking a step away from civilisation and city life is as possible indoors as it is outdoors. Indoor partying has been a major element of psytrance right from when I first found it in 1993; to say that 'oldschool = outdoors' is simply untrue.
Good luck with this event; it's good to see different genres of dance music being brought back together, ravelling the different strands of groove that have become unravelled over the last 15 years. I hope it's successful event for the organisers considering the stress involved in putting something like this on... don't forget to have a good time yourselves! And to everyone going to dance - happy 2008  Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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konvndrvm
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Posted : Dec 19, 2007 22:28
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On 2007-12-19 21:20, Colin OOOD wrote:
...ravelling the different strands of groove that have become unravelled over the last 15 years...
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Wow.... so true!!!
I just got 5x more excited to go to this.
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I've seen Freq-Nasty play a couple times @ the orange show in bernandino... and i gotta say his sh*t KNOCKS! so when ya'll find me in the breaks room... DONT PANIC!
hehehe
P.s.
Thx for shedding some light Colin, there's definitely a short supply. ha.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 19, 2007 23:49
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tantra SF
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Well, I moved to SF in 1989 so saw the party scene transition from late 1980's new wave/industrial to electronic music. "Old school" is a pretty generic term, but without doubt, the heyday of the 1990's rave scene in SF happened mostly in warehouses (with shitty acoustics). There were the epic full mooon raves on various beaches between SF and Santa Cruz and occasional campouts, but most parties even in summer happened in warehouses and somewhat in nightclubs. Summer SF psytrance campouts did not begin happening regularly until the late 1990's. Before that almost all psytrance parties were in warehouses, even Goa Gil.
I've been doing parties for many many years now and this is the first time that anyone has ever complained about a NYE party being indoors. Lol, they even complain about it being cold inside SomArts. Almost no one would attend a NYE outdoor event, even if it did not rain. I remember some kid booked Alien Project on Nov. 1 at Angels Camp. Alien Project was a major act and that was when psy parties routinely had 1000 people. It was freezing that weekend, maybe 100 people attended and he lost a lot of money. I warned him that it was too late in the season for an outdoor, but he did it anyway. Expensive lesson.
Also, most parties back in the day were multi genre parties. Things did not get so specialized until after 2000. The lack of legal spaces has prevented large multi genre parties from happening regularly, but people do love them when they can happen. That was why I fought to get Somarts legal as well as Cell Space. They are the only two permitted warehouse spaces available for events in SF. Back in the day we also had the infamous Custer Street Studios, home to the epic Blue Room and other parties. But the fire marshall eventually said no more events without a very expensive retrofit that was economically impossible.
Anyway, to me having a multi genre warehouse party combining breaks, techno, goa trance and downtempo is as old school as it gets. I'm excited to bring the psytrance and breaks scene back together. The breaks scene has become so popular that's it has largely moved into nightclubs, with Lorin/Bassnectar (ex goa trance DJ) and Freak Nasty becoming big international stars. So this will be a rare chance to hear trance and breaks again in an underground setting. Some remember that the breaks scene largely split off from the trance scene. Anyone remember the psy-breaks stage with Nick Taylor at Fusion 2000? And Adam Ohana, who now produces breaks as an-ten-nae (and who is producing the Freak Nasty room), used to be a psytrance DJ. I remember him opening for Goa Gil in the mid 1990's. So many old school circles are coming back around for this event. |
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konvndrvm
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Posted : Dec 20, 2007 10:04
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wow.
and
yes lets partyyyyy in cellspace !!!
once upon a time,
i went to a rave there once
and really lost it
goodtimes.
haha
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Posted : Dec 20, 2007 15:26
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Shai, if you're talking about old-school Goa parties you should bear in mind how it really was, back in the day, for people who didn't have year-round access to fine weather and remote uninhabited areas of natural beauty. In the UK AND in the US, as well as pretty much any other Northern-Hemisphere country where Goa took hold in the mid-90s
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true - i didn't think about that - I guess growing up in Israel with that trance scene is a big difference then growing up in any of the other trance scenes,
here even in the worst times of winter (Jan - Feb) you can still easily go out on a 2 hour drive and find a nice spot that isn't that cold - lucky us - still, we were at the Mojave just a couple of weeks back, it was freezing, but with a fire and stomping away, you can hardly feel the cold.
My personal opinion about having parties indoor won't change - i just don't enjoy them as much, and i never really enjoyed stomping on a concrete floor.
again - it's my opinion, based on my personality and experience,
the meaning of "old school" is totally different between all of us, which i guess was one of the miscommunications that caused this thread to get on the personal side a little bit,I'm glad Colin and John are taking this debate to the right places - this is the point of this forum - to talk about things and give all of our different points of view, without reverting to personal insults.
Again, i really truly hope that everyone that goes there will tell me that it was the best NYE ever, i loved the idea of playing old Goa tunes, it is actually getting quite popular again with many new artists creating old style sound.
I guess I'm lucky me for being in Israel during this time, to be able to go outdoors for NYE.
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konvndrvm
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Posted : Dec 20, 2007 21:56
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hey Shai
is Yoni out there yet?
We miss ya doooods and all the crazy Zinduka musizks
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yes the israel trance movement is much much different than the SF one.... i dont think anyone can argue with that ;P
have fun !
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Zinduka
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Posted : Dec 21, 2007 04:33
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Actually Yoni and myself are working on our live set right now in Jerusalem, we'll try and record the live tomorrow and post it so you can all feel you've been there
i'll be back in January, Yoni around February.
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konvndrvm
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Posted : Dec 26, 2007 06:35
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nope
it's
johohohohann
hey lets start planning the next funtazula party!
hope ur all having a blast and id love to hear where you guys are at wit ur sound... last time u two played in big sur was wickedxxxxx... (hey show me that zindubali trak u made!)
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