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PoM
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 15:05
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yes true i think it s better to learn synth one by one but it would cost a lot to have all at once anyway ..when we buy we usually get them one by one and learn to use them or resell them to get something else.
to me there is clear avantage of having many quality ssynth (something like omnisphere is many synth at once ), you can use them just for what they do best. when we have a sound in mind it make it easier to get there when we have the choice (if i want a sound with a vibe from the past or modern , plastic, metallic...)
i don t really care anymore if i use a synth just for doing one type of sound.. maybe i just use 10% of the synth but if it sound better than anyhting else i have for this it worht it. |
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 19:16
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 20:25
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On 2011-08-22 09:20, Vermeee wrote:
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On 2011-08-21 21:43, A.Rosengren wrote:
You can make entire tracks with sylenth alone. It's everything you need imo.
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but there s no fm in sylenth ... 
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I don't find fm synthesis to be a huge part in our music, don't need it
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 20:35
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 23, 2011 01:43
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FM synthesis might not be a big part of your sound A, but you can't honestly say that it isn't interesting or that you can't get good stuff out of it???
IMO no one synth can do everything. "need" is subjective but imo you need a classic subtractive synth, an fm capable synth, a modular synth, a wavetable synth, and additive/spectral is nice to have too.
I love the fuck out of Omnisphere and sing its praises constantly...but its FM is horrible, you can't do more than a relatively simple parallel/serial filter series, and it's extremely bulky in terms of CPU/RAM.
Zebra fills in those gaps nicely, as its FM is lovely, it's semi modular so I can route things atypically (as compared to standard subtractive synth layouts) It also has additive synthesis, and a bunch of other crazy things that other synths can't do (OSC FX, etc)
and then there's sylenth - which is just really classic, simple, easy on cpu and sounds amazing.
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mudpeople
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Posted : Aug 23, 2011 03:14
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For some reason,Ive always thought of wavetable syntehsis as somewhat inferior, not realy because it actually sounds inferior, and the idea of using a sampled waveform as a basis for synthesis is actually quite an interesting idea, but I guess my subconscious feels real time oscillator generation is better or somethin... So Ive unconsciiously avoided Omnisphere, that and the price that i can't afford... I find myself liking the idea of having something like that to get ideas output without spending a lot of time on the sounds...
FM synthesis has so ungodly many possibilities, I mean, you can even send one FM8 to another to use entire synths as carrier and modulator. Its also got ugodly many possibilities to sound awful though. I wont say how many times I ahd a good sound from scratch with FM8a and just tweaked the wrong knob and it just fell apart. Usuallly right aruond hte time i think 'I should save this patch, its sounding great'.
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Upavas
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Posted : Aug 23, 2011 10:37
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 15:24
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for everyone that love experimental and psyche i really recomend aalto, nothing come close to this in plugins/digital (afaik),one of the most awesome synth i used in 15 years !it s the king if you are after experimentation and twisted sounds... sound quality on his own is not mind blowing but it s good but the patch you make with this are awesome ! if you are after bizzare and twisted (a exemple would be sounds a la posford )you will love this one .
not for the guys that are after supersaw and leads we heard thousand of time this one is all about experimentation and psychedelism, recomended for tweakers and gurus..  |
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diskonekt
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 19:53
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I stick to the basics ....
Albino
Blue
Z3ta+
Surge
KarmaFx modular
I don't think i'll need any more.
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Posted : Aug 27, 2011 00:21
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Aug 28, 2011 02:23
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I don't need anything else than es2 and if I had only vst to select I'd probably go for z3ta+ . And love scupture for anything else that I can't reach with es2.
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 28, 2011 05:38
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scupture is awesome yes, i need to play more with it,i like es2 too it s still great .
you should check some newer synth like fusor or polykb,ace...some leads only on a nord 2 i enjoyed these,fusor loaded 1 or 2 strobe and/or cypher is the first soft to give me something close for these leads, maybe even better cause of the flexibilty,i can use 2 strobe or cypher instance, one for each chanel for example ,stack and detune some voice and WOW lol , sound nothing analog but great digital sound. stuff like this you dont want to touch old plugs like vangard disco dsp...these stuff are joke ,yeah it s possible to make great sound with these like with any thing that make some noise but compared to what is new ,there is a reason why it rape you cpu. |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Aug 28, 2011 09:54
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I have tons of vsti's I dunno maybe 100 synths, but I stopped collecting them. I don't know those synths you've mentioned apart of ACE. I feel the more new options/features you get the more time you spend on just learning them instead of creating just music.And often it's the same that one learn new.
I really feel with es2 and scultpure which I know now in and out, I can transform my ideas very fast.
As for plug ins.. in fact there is nothing new for 20 or 30 years.. .ok convultion is actually fresher I think 10 or 13 years or sth like this.
But than it's just a combination of old things like lfo with amp modulation as plug in or lfo with delay on a lower rate or the same with a faster rate is another or more complex with more effects combined .I think you can create your interesting plug in with a chain of standards.
Although stuff like audio damage plug ins is really fascinating and for sure it makes lots of fun playing with it as well as it sound so good.
Ok scultpure is really heavy for cpu ,but I don't use lots of instances of it at the same time, and I bounce in place in logic anyway before I save up preset or rather just remove the synth from the input.
I will have a test on polkyb ,strobe and cypher if I find them ,never herad of them tbh. The names are fun. I have in a few houres exam damn in almost two houres on d-control console and the whole envirnoment. Greets
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 28, 2011 23:05
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yes sure about the time spent on learning thats a reason why we usualy stick to what we know well ,but sometimes it s possible to get better result learning new synths imo ,lot of the newer stuff is awesome once you know to use it as much as your old plugs. personal taste about the caractere of a synth , interface ... matter a lot too |
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mubali
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Posted : Aug 29, 2011 12:15
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My main guys:
Surge ( I make 85% of all my sounds with this)
Omnisphere (I love the modulation possibilities this thing can have)
Sylenth 1 ( just for a different sound and more and more often for bass)
Moog Modular V (I love modular synthesizers)
Reaktor (all types of strange sounds can come from this and I'm slowly learning how to build my own synths with it)
I used to use the Logic native synths a lot and I like them to a certain degree, but I've found myself using more and more 3rd party synths over the years instead.
I also used to swear by Albino for many many years, but after I found Surge, I stopped using Albino pretty much cold turkey
And I love Camel Alchemy's possibilites, but will have to buy it to get a stable version that works on my mac... but that's one I'm seriously considering buying because I've made some sounds in there I haven't been able to recreate on anything else yet.
I do agree that you shouldn't keep too many synths especially in the beginning... Learn 1 or 2 at a time and learn SYNTHESIS... no preset monkeys!
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