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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 24, 2013 14:44
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 25, 2013 22:10
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me over the years i enjoyed it..then i got tired of it..then enjoy it again..then got tired  like that with everyhting when you abuse it , i could be bored of the sound of any synths
in fact it s like weed..change is needed |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jan 12, 2014 23:43
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On 2013-12-25 22:10, PoM wrote:
me over the years i enjoyed it..then i got tired of it..then enjoy it again..then got tired like that with everyhting when you abuse it , i could be bored of the sound of any synths
in fact it s like weed..change is needed
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yeah, but you keep coming back for more white widdow saying "just can't have enough of this" XD
what synths have you grown tired of? |
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Upavas
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Posted : Jan 12, 2014 23:45
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You know funny enough, my next two purchases will be a Virus C, that and I think I want a new soundcard too, RME comes to mind. Sorry for the off topic.
When it comes to ring modulation I have tried several ringmods, and can honestly say that nothing comes remotely close to hardware. Since I have that MF102 I have for the first time real ring modulation, nothing comes remotely close to it in the software realm... yeah it costs around $250 but it is well worth it and so much fun to use as well...
 Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
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http://upavas.com
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 13, 2014 03:51
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you're going to buy a virus?
that seems really odd, especially considering you just got the sub phatty and there are so many interesting analog things coming out these days....
why are you going to get a vst in a box?
I mean, its a good vst in a box...but why go with virus when you can just use zebra or omni?
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 13, 2014 11:05
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Although the question was for Upavas, with so many Virus TIs doing the rounds nowdays, the older Virii have dropped an awful lot in price. And the Virus has its own sound, especially for FM patches. It is a plug in in a box, with its own interface and knobs, cheap enough and different enough in sound to warrant buying a Virus.
I was a Virus hater for years when I had the B next to my modular and SH-101, Juno60... but that was because I was thinking that the Virus can never sound as analog as the real analogs I have. I was using it for the wrong reasons....so a long time later, with a few years of programming experience, I got a Polar TI and realized that there is a very deep and interesting, "digital" side of the Virus that does things that complement my analogs ...although I sold the Polar TI cause it was just too expensive for the way it sounded and the use it got and got a cheap Virus C with rack ears for 450€. Money well spent to me.
The Virus also does this plastic bass sound that is defined and full. Sounds kind meh on its own, but in a mix with analog synths on top, it just works, imo anyway.
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 13, 2014 17:50
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On 2013-12-25 22:10, PoM wrote:
me over the years i enjoyed it..then i got tired of it..then enjoy it again..then got tired like that with everyhting when you abuse it , i could be bored of the sound of any synths
in fact it s like weed..change is needed
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yeah, but you keep coming back for more white widdow saying "just can't have enough of this" XD
what synths have you grown tired of?
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plenty but virus and zebra are one i got really tired to the point of selling ..i think i bought /resold zebra already 2 times.. i wait for Z3 now..
Xs i have not been tired yet cause it s deep and very flexible and it s good for the sound i like to program..fm stuff ,bassline, drums..no annoyig stuff i want to eq ect..osc are clean and deep, the day i m tired of the sound i just have to buy one or two eurorack module ,i think it s first synth i own i will probably never sell and one reason is that it s open to the outside world with the semi modularity aspect.. but it s still not holy grail for me, i like vintage rolands best still not tired to ear these synth since the 90S ..and moog modular/moslab sound , this is the shit ! |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 13, 2014 18:21
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On 2013-12-25 22:10, PoM wrote:
me over the years i enjoyed it..then i got tired of it..then enjoy it again..then got tired like that with everyhting when you abuse it , i could be bored of the sound of any synths
in fact it s like weed..change is needed
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yeah, but you keep coming back for more white widdow saying "just can't have enough of this" XD
what synths have you grown tired of?
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plenty but virus and zebra are one i got really tired to the point of selling ..i think i bought /resold zebra already 2 times.. i wait for Z3 now..
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love and hate with these synth..cause these can sound great..but i don t like much the saw and would like more raw caractere |
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woodster77
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Posted : Jan 13, 2014 19:16
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The main problem with the virus I found was the fact that they couldnt recode from scratch because of the thousands of presets that came with, but rather they just tried to add solution
after solution, shame, was something in its day but got stuck with the old problems
But as I can see theres been no update for a long time so maybe they got round to recoding
Also theres an analogue version of this synth structure, looks ugly as fuck but exact archetecture,,,,,, ill do some internetting and get back
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 13, 2014 19:35
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 13, 2014 20:19
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we need a bit of everyhting..there was a rule about sticking to a few tools and learn it inside out.. while it s true i would rather get as many as i can and just use them at what they do great.. no synth will deliver for everyhting... but it need load of times to invest.. |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jan 13, 2014 20:37
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The main problem with the virus I found was the fact that they couldnt recode from scratch because of the thousands of presets that came with, but rather they just tried to add solution
after solution, shame, was something in its day but got stuck with the old problems
But as I can see theres been no update for a long time so maybe they got round to recoding
Also theres an analogue version of this synth structure, looks ugly as fuck but exact archetecture,,,,,, ill do some internetting and get back
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yes, I think that's the case with the Virus. but they could go another way, and I'm willing to bet this is what will happen with their next Virus: if you've used a TI you know there's the classic Oscillator and the others, that have been added later on. they couldn't do without the classic to make them retro compatible and give users acccess to the extensive preset library for the Virus. ok, so they could do the same with the LFO's and all the other components. problem is: you still need to increase the DSP power on these machines severly in order for them to cope with that, plus they really need to look into the TI side of things again, adopting USB2 and/or 3, or/and adding more options for connections like ethernet, firewire, thunderbolt, even if this means optional cards/adapters.
I've heard that one of their main coders was working on guitar pedal gear or software, and thus they've integrated some of that know-how into the latest updates.
the thing I'd like to see being implemented was more audio range modulation options, meaning faster LFOs, filter FM, so forth and so on. user drawable waves, similar to Zebra would also kill, and they could implement this two ways, like they actually did way back with their spectral waves: both for oscillator use and LFOs - bringing it closer to more modern instruments like Massive as far as modulation options go. on the programming side, they could easily do this if they manage to make the right choices as far as DSP and connections (for ti) goes. I'm willing to bet they will succeed...
@POM I understand how one could grow tired of these instruments since they do have a certain sound to them, that one either likes or not. I think it pales in comparison to the real thing when trying to emulate analogue, but only after you've got the real thing next to it, and then you use it for it's other strengths (dare I say the real ones?) and it's still got a good place on the setup. I like the interface a lot, both Virus and Nord, find them to be real inspiring machines to touch and make sounds with, easy and nice. Virus has grits, Nord cuts like a knife, both good on their own thing.
Zebra is also one of my favourites, and yeah, Z3 looks promising as fuck, have you checked the forum at KVR? |
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Upavas
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Posted : Jan 14, 2014 02:38
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On 2014-01-13 03:51, willsanquil wrote:
you're going to buy a virus?
that seems really odd, especially considering you just got the sub phatty and there are so many interesting analog things coming out these days....
why are you going to get a vst in a box?
I mean, its a good vst in a box...but why go with virus when you can just use zebra or omni?
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There are some reasons as to why I want a virus, don't get me wrong I will take my Moog to my grave with me, but it is pretty much exactly what Nectarios said, and that I have heard from several peeps now including Arjuna that this thing rocks for bass... but the moog you might say, and you are absolutely right! But then... I am a gear slut...
Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
http://timecode.bandcamp.com
http://upavas.com
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 14, 2014 12:09
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The Virus is a very capable digital synth with very interesting wavetables and FM and has a hefty amount of modulation sources and destinations.
People think VA and think that a synth like the Virus was made to emulate analog synths, but if you think outside of the box (like the designers did when they implemented Spectral Waveforms and the ability to FM them) you will come up with biting, ripping FM sounds and crazy modulation patches that, imo work great in psytrance.
Obviously this might not appeal to some people, but for the people like me, that these sounds appeal to and will become part of "their" sound, there are a lot of sounds the Virus offers that go beyond the same ol arp triggering a 16 unison saw patch that you hear all over the shop.
Another thing is that the Virus complements analog sounds in a mix very well. For years for me, it was about finding the best sounding synth. Now its about finding the best combination of synths that create the contrast of sounds I like in a mix and, imo, work very well together.
At the end of the day, a Virus (not TI) goes for less than 500€. That is a lot of "synth" for the cash, with knobs that yes has its cons, but program the damn thing and you will find a lot of pros as well.
Not forgetting to mention that you can process the Virus with some analog gear and make it sound un-virus like and have all that flexibility with the added colour of yor preferable analog pre/EQ/filter/effect that will stamp its colour all over the Virus' output.
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Upavas
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Posted : Jan 15, 2014 02:47
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On 2014-01-14 12:09, Nectarios wrote:
Not forgetting to mention that you can process the Virus with some analog gear and make it sound un-virus like and have all that flexibility with the added colour of yor preferable analog pre/EQ/filter/effect that will stamp its colour all over the Virus' output.
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And that's where the moogerfoogers come in very handy ;-)
Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
http://timecode.bandcamp.com
http://upavas.com
http://soundcloud.com/upavas-1/ |
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