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duodenumz
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Posted : Sep 26, 2003 20:41
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hi
i haven't seen a DJ spin psytrance in a long time now- how has their mixing evolved with the more progressive structure of modern psy? it used to be really hard to mix the "goa" classics, as they had very dense intros, odd bars, etc.. but now you have full-on and progressive, which both have structures much closer to traditional trance.
what do you all expect when you watch a DJ mix? do you expect them to do cool cutting, layering, long mixes? or is it OK to still use the boring oldschool mixing style of intros + outros? have older DJs evolved with the music, or do they still mix Raja Ram-style? |
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duodenumz
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Posted : Sep 26, 2003 20:42
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oh, and please give me some examples of psy DJs that are technically skilled. |
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Zombi
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Posted : Sep 26, 2003 20:43
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some progressed some not, but i think newcomers take the standarts higher:)
skilled psy djs - Synchro, Cosmix, D-Nox, Michael Shultz, Frank Beckers, Klangmuller, Tobias and Daniel Sun, Mapusa Mapusa, Mark Allen, Anti, Borris and many many more.  Believe your soul ! |
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Zombi
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Posted : Sep 26, 2003 20:48
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On 2003-09-26 20:41, duodenumz wrote:
what do you all expect when you watch a DJ mix?
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i mainly listen/hear dj mix:) to watch i think i prefer big boots:))))))
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Dovla
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Posted : Sep 26, 2003 23:30
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I think Dimitri Nakov is one of the most skilled DJs out there...he sometimes plays on 3 cdjs and he's the only dj that I've seen mix one track right in the middle of another...and he does it back and forth...just incredible stuff...
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technoid
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Posted : Sep 27, 2003 02:05
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I think mixing with CDJ automatically makes for less superior DJ to one who mixes with vinyl. I would almost describe it as cheating. Most CDJ mixers have beat counters on them and this sort of thing and I think the fact that you can't actually physically manipulate the disc with your fingers takes away the finer subtleties of mixing (without wanting to sound like too much of an up-his-own-arse idiot).
Having said all that, I think it's probably just a bit of snobbery on my part as I mix with vinyl (and I'm not even that good). It's as important that a DJ keeps a crowd on their feet as how technically proficient their mixing is, although it's always nice to hear really special mixing.
Oh, and full marks to Dovla for quoting Chris Morris  "One nation under a groove". |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Sep 27, 2003 02:33
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I used to think that CD mixing was cheating before I actually started to spin CDs. Neither one is much easier than the other. BPM counters don't really do anything to help the DJ - they confuse, if anything, since the actual bpm is never precisely on the number. Besides, there are Bpm counters on a lot of mixers as well. And yes, vinyl is easier to manipulate - it makes DJing simpler, not harder.
If vinyl was easier to transport and store, I would use it 100%. Oh, and maybe then psy-trance would get pressed, too.  As it is now, you simply cannot be a serious psy DJ and not spin CDs. |
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technoid
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Posted : Sep 27, 2003 02:47
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I have often cursed myself for not burning my records onto CD and I realise the trance scene is more CD based due to the travelling nature of the movement. I for one wouldn't like to take vinyl to parties in places like Goa. You'd have to be so careful. With the heat and dust it'd last about 5 minutes. It's also ridiculously heavy.
I just meant that you have a lot more scope for what you can do with vinyl in terms of tricks and mixes, not that it's harder to mix with, although I'm sure CD decks stay up to speed better than a pair of knackered old technics!!!.
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Avishay
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Posted : Sep 27, 2003 14:32
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cheating ??? is this a competition ?
if the dj can mix, it can be on freaking cassettee players (with reasonable quality ofcourse) for all i care.
it is harder to mix vinyls, but it says nada about the dj.
i believe djing to be an art, and thats why i expect a dj to deliever me an interesting point of view. mixed well and flowing, but thats just the technical side, and about that there is no subjectivity. it should be PERFECT. and then there is the arty side of it, and THAT should be the difference between djs. never if this one can mix, and that one cant.... all DJs should be able to mix.... otherwize they are not djs. |
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Sep 29, 2003 13:31
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I think eventho Im a dj myself I usually listen to the DJs selection of music and how he edit the all set. I like to hear a good mix, I prefer all the mixing to be good but I dont really that mind.
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DJ Pelon(Inpsyde Media)
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Posted : Sep 29, 2003 15:10
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I never had the chance to spin vinyl's...only cd's, so I can't compaire, but anyway you look at it, beat mixing is not an easy task, and it usually takes some time, and lots of practice to learn how to do it right. my goal as a psytrance dj is to mix perfectly, still working on that...hehe
now, about mixing style...well, every dj mixes a bit different IMO. I love listening to good beat mixing in a set, but sometimes I guess it's better to mix "the boring oldschool mixing style of intros + outros", like in a morning set for example, when the dj wants to play with the crowd minds...
the traxx selection and the trip the dj takes the listener to, is not less important for me.
keep it psychedelic...!!!
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duodenumz
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Posted : Sep 29, 2003 23:45
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fyi my roots are in mixing acid techno/trance, and i could never get into mixing psy because at used to have such awkward and/or busy structures. i would stand there for 7 or 8 minutes, and then do a fairly fast (beatmatched) transition. i always chose to listen rather than spin because of this.
now you can really do long mixes, cutting, tricks, etc.. esp with the progressive sound, which should be layered a LOT i think.
so i was just curious if crowds have come to expect more complicated mixing from DJs, or if they are OK with "vanilla" mixing still. lack of tricks was fine back when the "goa" sound of 1995 was in full effect, but now i think psy DJs should be busier on the decks.
"all DJs should be able to mix.... otherwize they are not djs."
trust me, i agree. but how often are you really impressed by a DJ? huge names get paid lots of money to mix poorly, just because they produce as well.
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technoid
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Posted : Sep 30, 2003 00:23
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On 2003-09-27 14:32, Avishay wrote:
cheating ??? is this a competition ?
all DJs should be able to mix.... otherwize they are not djs.
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Guess I agree really. As far as the 'cheating' thing goes, I'm just a bit Luddite about the whole matter of DJing. I guess it's pretty silly to care what medium a DJ uses as long as they do a good job, but due to some stupid ingrained feeling I'll nearly always have more respect for a DJ that uses vinyl. Stupid, I know, but there you go...
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John
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Posted : Sep 30, 2003 00:59
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You might all be interested in a discussion on the DJ & Artists page called Psy Trance DJ Techniques which goes into some depth about mixing & DJs
(Sorry I'm a complete luddite & cannot work out how to link direct to the posts!!) |
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snowflake
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Posted : Sep 30, 2003 03:59
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On 2003-09-27 02:05, technoid wrote:
I think mixing with CDJ automatically makes for less superior DJ to one who mixes with vinyl. I would almost describe it as cheating...
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c'mon man.... this is the same lame excuse that "real music" artists use against trance (and electronic music in general) artists...
getting the help of technology doesn't make you less aristic....
don't you think????
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