Danrennt98
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Posted : Oct 9, 2011 11:03:08
How do you feel about Mixed Genre parties?
Specifically, about having one room psy and another room something else to increase attendance / recruit psyheads / help the parties to have less of a monetary loss.
I was thinking about this because someone mentioned mixing hardcore in another room with psytrance since the BPMs are somewhat similar (especially darkpsy) and also if you listen to it the leads are similar too, though the crowds it draws are SERIOUSLY different. But I don't mind Hardcore.
I know Psybotik in NYC has been mixing with other EDM styles sometimes.
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Posted : Oct 9, 2011 19:26
I think it's a good idea, especially if your psy scene is kinda small. Always good to let people from other scenes have a taste of psy
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Posted : Oct 9, 2011 20:25
I like the idea. I prefer to have atleast some variety of edm on the second stage. Happy hardcore accompanies psytrance at pretty much all the parties in minnesota. Even at a club show there was psy before and after some happy hardcore and it flowed pretty well.
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Posted : Oct 10, 2011 10:39
Nice that's cool.. I didn't know that about Minnesota! What kind of Happy Hardcore was being played? New School or Old School? I like some happy hardcore but I prefer hardstyle or hardcore like Neophyte. I really just enjoy any kind of EDM lol
Also, I feel like Drum n Bass would fit well too, as long as there's no MCs - I hate that so much unless they are really really good - and respect the music enough to STFU when a really good beat drops. I feel like Drum n Bass has an older somewhat more mature crowd like psytrance does.
And in Montreal this works really well. (I went to the University of Vermont and went to parties there for 4 years cuz it was closer than NYC) They do a lot of mixed genre parties and if you've ever been to rave.ca - there's something going on like every single night. I went to one (TwistedWave - 2006) where each hour was a different style:
23:00
Doc Savage - Hard Trance - Repent Tokyo Records
24:00
Juniah - Hard Trance - [ Trance-NRG.net ]
01:00
Toltech - Techno - Level 4 Productions, Jester
02:00
Axionfigga - Drum and Bass - The High Commission
03:00
Galaksy - Drum and Bass - Freak Addiction Krew
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Iznogood - Psy Trance - Discphunktional, Kanibalz
05:00
Clown - Psy Trance - JESTER records, Alien Crew
06:00
ravedave - Hardstyle
I know some American psyheads went to Soma (annual NYE party in Montreal) and were commenting about the amount of "ravers" there were at the party (glowsticks, non-psy clothes, e-heads, etc.) and weren't all decked out in psygear - but I don't think we should put ourselves on this high and mighty horse. The parties in Montreal do have a more raver vibe - but it's fun - but I can't have respect for someone that has a pacifier in their mouth. hahaa
We're not so different. I call them 'parties' because at psy parties used to get mad when I called them 'raves'. It is definitely somewhat different (deco/fluro gear/one style of music only/vibes/maturity level of MOST people lol), but I think mixing genres would get people into it and create better attendance especially in the NYC scene (which IMO has had a drastic reduction in parties festivals over the past few years).
Plus, I think when people just come into the scene they go a bit wild on chemicals, but then after a bit - if they 'convert' they calm down. I know I did at least.
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Posted : Oct 10, 2011 15:49
Too mixed is just as bad as not mixed enough. You don't want the lineup on a stage to be so schizophrenic that it loses all cohesion as one long story.
Some styles of music just have very different attitudes from other styles. And this crosses genre lines.
Drum n bass for example, has some very otherworldly, almost-trancelike dnb, and then some bombastic in your face party dnb, and they really don't feel like they belong in the same building with each other.
You can have multiple genres but I feel like you should have a cohesive attitude. I remember once geomagnetic threw a party where there was a DJ playing dirty electro randomly in the middle of the trance stage lineup. It was very jarring.
Having very different musicians play back to back is fine for a concert. But raves and trance parties are not the same thing as a concert. You need flow, you need cohesion.
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Posted : Oct 10, 2011 17:03
I don't know what style of happy hardcore he played. That's usually one style of edm I don't like, but Spree actually had me liking some (too bad he had to stop djing because of tinnitus).http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound www.chilluminati.org - Midwest based psytrance group
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Posted : Oct 11, 2011 01:08
In Colorado, we usually do second room of mostly Dumbstep and Breaks. This is more the result of scene demographics than anything else..... as Dubstep is what gets the heads in the door over the trance. But the two genres, can be quite complimentary to each other, as long as the Dubstep is much more on the dub side of things, than the Brostep side of things.
However i've always been a strong proponent of other genres being at parties.
Personally, if Psy is the main style being represented at a show, my preference is to have the other stage focus more on a 2 count beat.(dubstep/dnb/breaks, etc etc). It creates a nice yin and yang approach to the music being offered as opposed to multiple rooms with nothing but 4/4 beats all night.
In California, Straylight has been doing nothing but mixed genre / psy events for over 10 years. Usually most Straylight events are about 60-70% trance, but everything else from downtempo to breaks to house is included in a lineup.
One of my favorite ways to do it, especially on a single stage is start things at sunset. Let the other genres build off each other gaining intensity until midnight, then switch to trance at midnight.
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Danrennt98
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Posted : Oct 11, 2011 12:56
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On 2011-10-11 01:08, paradigm wrote:
In Colorado, we usually do second room of mostly Dumbstep and Breaks. This is more the result of scene demographics than anything else..... as Dubstep is what gets the heads in the door over the trance. But the two genres, can be quite complimentary to each other, as long as the Dubstep is much more on the dub side of things, than the Brostep side of things.
However i've always been a strong proponent of other genres being at parties.
Personally, if Psy is the main style being represented at a show, my preference is to have the other stage focus more on a 2 count beat.(dubstep/dnb/breaks, etc etc). It creates a nice yin and yang approach to the music being offered as opposed to multiple rooms with nothing but 4/4 beats all night.
In California, Straylight has been doing nothing but mixed genre / psy events for over 10 years. Usually most Straylight events are about 60-70% trance, but everything else from downtempo to breaks to house is included in a lineup.
One of my favorite ways to do it, especially on a single stage is start things at sunset. Let the other genres build off each other gaining intensity until midnight, then switch to trance at midnight.
Both of those are cool ideas having the complementary approach and then the starting at sunset approach with trance at night! I wouldn't mind that. I just get bored with a lot of prog prog prog from sunset to midnight.
On another note, I personally IMHO I think it's a crime to not play darkpsy from at least 3 - 5 unless otherwise specified before at a trance party lol. I like a flow of the night too - I also like all "dark" parties too, as long as specified beforehand you can have a flow with that too. And you can have a flow with all full-on parties too. But Dubstep has seriously exploded in the past year, and when they used to play dubstep during the day at world bridge - I loved it. It felt perfect sitting out on the lake at Deerfields str8 chillin to some dubstep - not brostep lol. So I think that's a great idea of adding dub step for a lot of people.
@ Acsension - I'm not a huge fan of happy hardcore either but I did listen to it a little before I found psy - and now I don't mind it at home - but I'm not going to start hunting for happy hardcore parties ;-) I prefer regular hardcore to the happy kind hehee
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Posted : Oct 12, 2011 19:33
I think it's fine, I like a bunch of stuff; PSY is of course my favorite, but other things sprinkled here and there is awesome. My favorite multi parties are the ones fused with dark/liquid/techy DNB, and techno, and lately these psybreaks which are actually kind of delicious.
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Posted : Oct 23, 2011 04:33
Theres pretty much no trance scene here, a few years ago I used to see a few djs from Grass Valley play now and then, always at mainstream gigs (often alongside such wonders as happy hardcore and booty breaks). I dont really have any desire to play in the mainstream, most of the gig offers I get are for Burner events, which is quite a damn sight better than 12yo girls on too many pills with too few clothes and slavering piles of ravers everywhere.
Lol krikett, i was about to explain what other styles tickle my fancy, but you said them already Mechanistic tech, squidgematic DnB, psybreaks is cool but I kinda like acid and deep house better
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Posted : Oct 23, 2011 16:03
The thing is, I don't see how you can throw multiple parties a year with fullon trance playing from 5 am til noon when I don't think 7 hours of good fullon has been released in the past THREE years.
It seems whenever I'm at a party like that I hear a lot of older stuff, and the newer stuff I do here is predominantly nano records-type stuff which is great but it gets monotonous after a while.
I would much rather hear like 4 hours of fullon followed by a lot of prog and techno. You can knock prog if you want but right now it's kicking fullon's ass in terms of diversity and quality (and I'm talking about all of progressive here, not just the prog artists that people think of as being within the trance scene)
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Posted : Oct 23, 2011 20:48
@ Shiranui... well I would agree with your assessment of the serious lack of new Full On, save a half dozen labels (Nano, Catalyst, Vagalume etc etc) and that there is significantly more prog being released.
I don't necessarily agree with the diversity part of that. Yes there might be 2 dozen labels actively pumping out progressive releases but when 3/4 of all those releases are built on the same "woodblocks" style of minimalist progressive (which i honestly do like), who can that be claimed to be diverse ?
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