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Meditation vs. Psychedelics

psychedelikk


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Posted : Apr 23, 2006 00:41
Today i had a long talk about meditation vs. psychedelics with my friend. Im interested to know where meditation can take you, to anyone who practises it and has done for a while. Because ideally I'd love to be able to meditate 'properly' instead of using psychedelics, the thought of it all coming from the self exites me to no end.           ---------------------------------------------
I have as much authority as the Pope.I just don't have as many people who believe it.
Forest dreams
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Posted : Apr 23, 2006 02:20
http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/

soon to be Locked/deleted.. like everything else in here
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Annjum


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Posted : Apr 23, 2006 04:12
can i assume that you dont know Any difference between a search engine and a forum

ignorence is bliss ....

i'd love to ingore you
Forest dreams
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Posted : Apr 23, 2006 10:03
Quote:

On 2006-04-23 00:41, psychedelikk wrote:
Today i had a long talk about meditation vs. psychedelics with my friend.


oh did you really?
If this thread was some sort of a game or about a new realease I can understand you copy pasting it from another forum... but here you have copy pasted a thread not started by you on another forum, and not even bothered to put it in your own words... so what is the point of this thread really? do even know the meaning of the word 'meditate'..?
and oh yess! can we also assume that psychedelikk and Annjum are but one person with diff id's?

...and Im sure after reading my post you no longer want to ignore me eh?
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sure_smoke_alot
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Posted : Apr 23, 2006 11:59
neone seeking a result out of meditation reaches well..............nowhere!!

a nice little story :-
a gr8 king once heard bout a wise fakir in his kingdom who had supreme powers (so it was said)
the king became powerful by the day and got saturated by it.
one day he jus happend to meet the fakir and started talking to him he found intrest in the fakir
and annoced that he's takin sanyaas and will join the fakir.
all the disiplies of the fakir started taking in themselves saying that how will a king renounce all his luxaries and he'll neva be able to do it
the fakir overheard thier conversation and said to them that he'll excel them in every dept.
the king started living with the master and exceled in every dept. jus like the fakir had predicited.
if the disiples wud take a fast for 3-4 dayz the king wud fast for 10-12 dayz, if the wud sleep on the floor the king wud sleep in thorns and bushes
every of the disciples were amazed by seeing the king's performance.
they came to the fakir and asked him how did he know that the king will excel so much and become a gr8 saint or whateve

the fakir repiled if u see from my eyes he's still not prgressed an inch
first he wanted to excel and prove his dominece in materilistic world now he's doing the same thing in the spiritual world.


peace           the problem with valuing art is, till u dont understand it, it's worthless but wen u do understand it, it's priceless!!
Forest dreams
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Posted : Apr 23, 2006 12:59
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On 2006-04-23 11:59, sure_smoke_alot wrote:
neone seeking a result out of meditation reaches well..............nowhere!!

peace



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Kitnam
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Posted : Apr 24, 2006 10:36
i practice saam pay fut from time to time...
it feels like nothing special, just standing and looking a bit inside. but after it, compared to rejoining normal daylife its like you have taken an inner freshing shower.
well if you want exchange drugs with meditation its ok.
after a real intense meditational experience , taking anything of drugs like cigarretes or even a beer destroyes the "warm feeling" carrying with you after meditation. even the wrong dinner is able to switch it away.
sure_smoke_alot
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Posted : Apr 24, 2006 10:42
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On 2006-04-24 10:36, Kitnam wrote:
i practice saam pay fut from time to time...
it feels like nothing special, just standing and looking a bit inside. but after it, compared to rejoining normal daylife its like you have taken an inner freshing shower.
well if you want exchange drugs with meditation its ok.
after a real intense meditational experience , taking anything of drugs like cigarretes or even a beer destroyes the "warm feeling" carrying with you after meditation. even the wrong dinner is able to switch it away.




exactly d's do take u to a level but after meditation that level seems to be low

'The idea is to remain in a state of constant departure while always arriving' - waking life
          the problem with valuing art is, till u dont understand it, it's worthless but wen u do understand it, it's priceless!!
mindgames


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Posted : Apr 24, 2006 10:46
[quote]
On 2006-04-23 11:59, sure_smoke_alot wrote:
neone seeking a result out of meditation reaches well..............nowhere!!

Dude-Then what is the purpose of meditation?
sure_smoke_alot
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Posted : Apr 24, 2006 10:58
[quote]
On 2006-04-24 10:46, mindgames wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-04-23 11:59, sure_smoke_alot wrote:
neone seeking a result out of meditation reaches well..............nowhere!!

Dude-Then what is the purpose of meditation?



to realise that there is no purpose
jus be.................

A master is not the one who has achieved something,
a master is the one who knows there is nothing to achive.

'Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye
Dhai Aakhar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye' - Kabir
(translation in english)
Reading books everyone died, none became any wise
One who reads the word of Love, only becomes wise

          the problem with valuing art is, till u dont understand it, it's worthless but wen u do understand it, it's priceless!!
volvox box 2
Infect Insect
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Posted : Apr 24, 2006 12:54
you are wrong if you think you will visualize and audialize psychedelia during meditation.
mediation = void
void contains everything, but you dont absorb it on a sence level
Gopendragon
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Posted : Apr 24, 2006 16:02
I dont know why you wrote med. vs .psy whAT do you mean with "VS"?
psychedelics brings you into a meditative state,others do it conciously other unconciously...
Meditation have a lot psychedelic elements,and psychedelics also have much meditative elements...
check those links that are perfect related about what you look for hehe
http://deoxy.org/psychedelicyoga.htm
http://www.erowid.org/spirit/yoga_info1.shtml
http://www.luminist.org/archives/psychedelic.htm
http://occult-advances.org/nc-spi-psychedelic-yoga.shtml
so what else to say here...hehe           ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
dtmoney
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Posted : Apr 25, 2006 01:08
Here's some dorky stuff I'm going to throw at you guys:

There is a form of meditation in which if you close your eyes and follow the shapes moving around, then you actually become relaxed. It is possible that you can get sleepy from this. In other words, you take a trip to dreamland, but you're still meditating!

We all know psychedelics take you somewhere not of this planet.

Now here is the ironic one:

Everyone in the world has had an experience with DMT!

How is that so?

It was proposed by Jace Callaway that because the pineal gland secretes dimethyltryptamine before we go night night, it is reponsible for visual dreaming and near death experiences.

In the end, Meditation, dreaming, and psychedelics are all responsible for the same freaky shit.
psychedelikk


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Posted : Apr 25, 2006 02:01
@Gopendra ...Thanks




Quote:

On 2006-04-24 16:02, Gopendra wrote:
I dont know why you wrote med. vs .psy whAT do you mean with "VS"?
psychedelics brings you into a meditative state,others do it conciously other unconciously...
Meditation have a lot psychedelic elements,and psychedelics also have much meditative elements...
check those links that are perfect related about what you look for hehe
http://deoxy.org/psychedelicyoga.htm
http://www.erowid.org/spirit/yoga_info1.shtml
http://www.luminist.org/archives/psychedelic.htm
http://occult-advances.org/nc-spi-psychedelic-yoga.shtml
so what else to say here...hehe


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Fingax
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Posted : Apr 27, 2006 20:39
If Dance is an active meditation like so many say, then there are psychedelics that enduce dancing.
My opinion is that meditate is about to focus the mind on something. if you focus on nothing thats allready something so thats the game. while you're thinking for example in a leaf of a tree and nothing else, you starting focusing on the leaf, you see stuff there that you didnt saw before, and wile doing these your controling what your mind is thinking so you 're not thinking in other things. if you manage to take this to a minimalistic level and try to visualise a very small black dot in the middlle of white background, you taking your mind to the most minimal state it can be therfore youre avoiding lots of sensations, or ideas that would be there if your mind was not focusing on something during that time. the secret is instead focusing in something complex bring it to a simplier state. if your thinking in a tree bring it to a leaf.. there is always a lo to see even if its only a black dot. Visualisation is the key. By the moment you manege to meditate or focus your mind on nothing, than you reach what they call nirvana, true peace, no thoughts, fears, or emootions. just nothing and thats exactly what we cant reach. but if you trust this is the key you'll feel what you can do to yourself.
i belive there are many levels of meditation, some of them we do it regulary but uncounsciously, i meen when we focus our mind on something in such a level thatwe start seing things that we wouldnt normally and in the same time we are totally unaware( or not thinking/remebering) some many other that we usually keep in mind. so in a funny way every time my friends tellme they must find a way for something, i say like, you have to meditate on that just my 2cents
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