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virava


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Posted : Feb 11, 2007 18:12
detox and his new age diplomacy..
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Feb 11, 2007 21:00
detox man dont get paranoid-i aint trying to manipulate nobody or anything ,if i decide to i will ask you as u suggested
what i wrote is based on the general picture that your comments projected in my head - i dont tink i owe you an apology mate ,and OF COURSE PPL SAY WHATEVER COMES IN THEIR MINDS!! phh..

viravaaa wasabiiiii !!           "Detox is for queers"
DETOX
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Posted : Feb 11, 2007 22:15
Quote:

On 2007-02-11 21:00, Psy_mystic wrote:
what i wrote is based on the general picture that your comments projected in my head



Its about time you start using that projector more often so that it may work properly,try to take the dust out too,it will help you in the future in having a better picture of things around you....           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
smorphelia8
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  524
Posted : Feb 12, 2007 10:15
psy_mistyc....let DETOX talk...just talk and accuse people like me and u of complaining....mentioning bullshit without any basis....like insisting for someone to name one expansive party...(all are expensive as u said)....dear detox,u r complaining also...and asking people for apologies?....dont use this forum if u get easily offended man......dont mean to be disrespectful toward anybody...let me make that clear
DETOX
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Posted : Feb 12, 2007 19:17
Smorphelia can you please point out where exactly i accused you of anything?Can you actually point out where i accused anyone about anything till Psymistic appeared with his nonsense accusations?Just two pages of posts in this topic so take your time and tell me where i accused you and about what.

On the contrary i can show you if you like people accusing me about things that i never said or even implied just because they didnt bother reading my posts or because their understanding in english is really poor or even worst because they just wanted to create a "fight" out of nowhere.

Oh and by the way with all the respect i am a user in this forum probably long time before you owned a computer or even knew what the internet and online forums were so please leave the comments about me using or not using this particular forum aside because for someone who has been part of this community no longer than 2-3 weeks you are getting out of line in my humble opinion when giving instructions concering the usage of this forum to someone who has spend more than 6-7 years in this place when the greek community had no more than 10-15 members of which just a couple are among us till today.I know you didnt want to be disrespectful towards anybody but somehow you where so be more careful next time
          Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Psy_mystic
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Posted : Feb 12, 2007 22:19
detox y do you bother so much with this ?
i believe i was clear :
1. when i said this country gets funked by arrogants i meant the ones in power ,i am sure u will agree

2.NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON parties ARE expensive in Athens and thats all im saying -it sux cause here in London u go to TRULY REMARKABLE events and pay 20 euros!

i dont really care what your OPINION is about me or smorphelia (and im sure she doesnt either ) BUT please stop giving advise like "be more careful next time " it just seems rude..
and blaming me that i cant read properly or that i am starting a fight?
you are talking about accusations,but thats what u do - you accuse and assume ure correct which i find hard to cope wiht in a conversation.



look no hard feelings ,you have good intentions i think .. maybe i just misunderstand everything, maybe you do who knows?
the important thing is that we belong to this one global psytribe!!!!!
WE ARE ALL ONE
PEACE


          "Detox is for queers"
smorphelia8
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Posted : Feb 15, 2007 10:40
detox y do you bother so much with this ?
i believe i was clear :
1. when i said this country gets funked by arrogants i meant the ones in power ,i am sure u will agree

2.NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON parties ARE expensive in Athens and thats all im saying -it sux cause here in London u go to TRULY REMARKABLE events and pay 20 euros!

i dont really care what your OPINION is about me or smorphelia (and im sure she doesnt either ) BUT please stop giving advise like "be more careful next time " it just seems rude..
and blaming me that i cant read properly or that i am starting a fight?
you are talking about accusations,but thats what u do - you accuse and assume ure correct which i find hard to cope wiht in a conversation.



once again i quote u psy_mystic...u r most defenately right...and even more defenately thoughtfull......detox feels a bit responsible I guess, thats why he doesnt take it too easy...

oh detox....u r right, u didint accuse, and i didnt accuse anyone...just gave an advice that u could take or reject without making ur accusations....maybe...and just maybe, u need to be carefull...
and for the record....while u were busy using ur beloved computer, I was probably out seeking life and pleasure...
later
spectraliquid
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Posts :  46
Posted : Mar 15, 2007 05:37
Hello to everyone in this discussion. I have to admit that parties in Greece are quite expensive most of the times. Yes, you are right, you can see the same or more artists in England with a far lower ticket price...However, Detox is right in several things...It is true that Greece has a totally different economy (from countries like Serbia) and we shouldn't put aside the fact that if there's 10 places to host an event in Athens ( 6 of them will probably suck though), there'll be 50 places to host an event in London....

I understand that organisers want to earn money from the events they book ( believe me, booking an event, flyers, flight reservations, advertising etc. etc. is exhausting...) but since club owners do their best to get all the money they can get without considering anything else, it is common sense that a ticket will be eventually expensive compared to other european countries.

And to speak for myself, I am in Spectraliquid, a label that hosts events with noise/experimental/idm stuff...You can't imagine how tough it is to do this in Greece...There's no audience...This means that we are happy if we make it to earn back the money we have spent (nothing more)...and that unfortunately happens even if we have a comparingly expensive ticket and not as many names as someone could see in a party in London.

So, please don't be too harsh on organisers, I'm not here to support them (I know that many of them care more about money and less about music but this is not always the case...)Blame club owners and finally, blame people in Greece that are narrow-minded most of the times and stick to music played million times before...For God's sake, people here do not give the slightest opportunity to modern music and art...

Take Care,
Kostas K - spectraliquid.com
macmarios


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Posts :  42
Posted : Mar 16, 2007 14:38
Day by day we eat the same cookies.Why the parties are expensive.Our friend Detox is organiser so he will support the opposite that the parties are expensive.Ok lets say parties are expensive in Greece because we are the most expensive country.WRONG!!! Detox Moscow is the most expensive city and big outdoor events lets say hmmm with Talamasca plus 2 guest DJ's from europe plus local dj's with a killer sound (and I mean it is a killer) you pay 15 euros.So what ever I hear with all the respect is just a crap.30 euros for bad quality parties.People is useless to talk about it.It will never stop till no one will go to parties.Already events with 1000 people now they have 500 and day by day it will be less.So my oppinion is not the artist's but the politic of every organiser to put big or small admission on the party depending how many money wants in his pockets (if you know what I mean)
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macmarios


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Posts :  42
Posted : Mar 16, 2007 14:42
And friends with all the respect lets stop eating this chocolate.It is already boring to talk about things that getting worst every day.Simply if you don't like the admission of the party just don't go.Simple!!
Respect           When everything failed...read the manual
MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
Moonsun Records

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Posts :  1864
Posted : Mar 16, 2007 15:04
my friend macmarios u still dont get it,it not th countries
econy , for instence i know moscow they get deals to make parties like germany ,and only give club owners the bar,and orginizers have the hole fee of entrance,
they dont pay 3000 to 5000 euro to get 1 club on saturday like we do ,they dont pay talamasca 3500 live as we do,and plus alll that pay another 1000 for security sound ,flyers like do ,and have 200 to 1000 tickes in the best names, they some times have 2500 people in 1 party with very small buggets, so if people still dont understand cose they dont put there money to make parties and dont know how greece works, try my friend to orginizer 1 and tell me after how u see thinks in greece,plus detox an Me and other orginizers have had cancelations lost parties cose clubs didnt want to hold the events,and much more ,and lost 2000 euros and more with out even making the parties, i never saw any 1 complain about this, but people complian that greece is expancive when all night life is 20 to 25 euros here,and the put 2 good residents like burliotis who is a very good name in Rmb with 20 or 25 euro ,and u complain when u see Gms or Skazi live with 30 when ther enow superstars in the electronic sceene, sorry i think
if people need cheaper they have to make them selfs honestly, cose when we try we play a big risk to make these events,and i think compaired to all music or night life now here in Greece ist unfair to complian about trance and make it seem like its Zefi partis, when honestly they offer more Quality than what most clubs play each week the same and the same in greecewith 20 and 25 entrances.i think u still cant judge right the hole concept..this is not use trying to make u come to the parties or tell u something to trick u but ask around what concepts u need today here to make a party,and when u find out ,see what u can make or loss.and then tell me if 25 euro in such names it to much.
DETOX
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Posted : Mar 16, 2007 15:27
Macmarios please stop speaking about things you dont know mate in order to create a false image to the people.

YES Moscow is one of the most expensive cities in Europe BUT is also the most highly populated with 10.5 million people which is almost the whole population of our country Greece.Sit down for a minute and try to think what this means.

ALSO you should know that when we say that a city is one of the most expensive cities in Europe we dont actually talk about the cost of living there (eating,education,health,entertainment and such stuff) but we are talking about the price of houses,the interest and exchange rates,investment opportunites and such stuff AND ONLY AND I REPEAT ONLY FOR NOT LOCAL CITIZENS BUT FOR FOREIGN PEOPLE WHO GO TO LIVE THERE.

To sum it up if you want to speak about economics then you have to know about economics,likewise if you want to speak about organising parties and the entrance fees in them then you got to know about party organisation and pricing.You know neither so please ask before you speak.

It would be a pleasure for me to answer any questions you might have (just like i did in private with another user ten days ago when he mentioned something about expensive party tickets too though he never answered back to me when in detail i explained to him why the price of a ticket is high or low or whatever) but it is really time consuming and irritating to answer back to accusations and claims with no basis at all from people who think that know something but havent got the slightest idea of what they are talking about.

So like you said "cut the crap" please.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
macmarios


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Posts :  42
Posted : Mar 16, 2007 17:45
Guys guys Detox and Moonsun.Listen I already participated myself organising events.Also last year I tried also to make a good event and I had experienced the problems that you both say.I agree with you guys but my point is other and you didn't understand it.What I mean here and also to other posts is that if you,the big organisers put a little bit less money on admission you will attract more than 300 people for example and then you will be able to cover all the fees for the event.I worked also on Brainstorm for a little bit before even psy trance fashion.I respect you both guys and believe me I will support your events but the point is that in Greece we pay more we get less.I agree with both of you to the point of organising the event.I know how hard is but don't forget that the people who are 17-20 years they don't have 100 euros every saturday to spent it on parties.I agree with expensive admission only in the case that you will create a cool atmosphere on the party with good deco,sound,visuals,artists.
And believe me both of you my friends I know VERY GOOD how is to make a party.You will tell me why you don't make then parties quality as you said and cheap?
And my answer is simply I'm not interesting anymore on this.I still love the music,still djing with my friends and also make some tunes but I passed this tripaki as we say.Reasons? Well work,family.If I didn't have this maybe I would have participated again on parties.I will not be the one who will judge the scene.The people will.And I want to ask you something to both of you my friends...why no one from the old good people and friends are not going on parties anymore?Why they prefer to take their own sound equipment and play music for themselves on the forests? There is a reason for that?
Anyway guys I hope to both of you always your events to be succesfull with good vibes and happy people.
Plur guys.
          When everything failed...read the manual
MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
Moonsun Records

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Posts :  1864
Posted : Mar 16, 2007 18:06
il give u an honest reply macmarios cose all my friends are old school and havent been to parties since samothraki and mabe before some of them,and the answer is after alsos closed with old school goa and nice names and all friends adenting new people want to put there ideas with new styles of music,and make parties with there freinds to show these styles and ideas, old people had no piont to go to others when they learned things on th eway from others ,like alsos and liquid love who were the 1st holding this ideas of parties, and share them with the new promoters who thought the do something difrent or beter, so why should some 1 for instence that goes 10 years to nikos parties come now to some 1 who started the sceene 4or 5 years and thinks he does better than them or have more knolege in parties, for me i would never reach nikos liquid love or sunrize zone not even if i brought the bigest names, cose they started the consept ,we just folowed there foot steps.i just try to give my vibe have fun with my friends and listen to good music, , so old people that went to parties dont folow new guys,get my piont.......they respect the begging to much
macmarios


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Posts :  42
Posted : Mar 16, 2007 19:09
Xm actually I'm 80% agree with you.But a 20% (always on my oppinion ) they don't like todays trance scene and communities.           When everything failed...read the manual
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