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makunta
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Posted : Feb 25, 2003 23:18
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to yossi:)
i know that you gonna release the first platform album soon...great!!!....maybe you are right...we need more time for this kind of music...
 
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Zombi
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Posted : Feb 25, 2003 23:24
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well, labels and not commerzial and big ones mainly formered and runed by friends,
those friends make some music in free time, try provide some new kind of sound, its natural imo that they release this stuff, stuff that come from the label itself mainly.
with some time ppl around start make such trance and then they meet the family - label.
u see how iboga or digital structures or many others have some new names at compilations, its friends from around.
Detox - some ppl dont deal with money but with music, remember that.
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 25, 2003 23:50
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Pracox are you sure that you read my post carefully?
An artist with not many previous releases or not releases at all that makes a label JUST to release his and his friends music is nothing more than an arrogant person who thinks that he is a good musician while he is not.
The word JUST isnt there just to fill the paragraph you know.It means that people that found a new label just to release their stuff before trying hard before by sending demos to the appropriate labels that might release their stuff or by promoting their music are just arrogant and nothing more because they only care about gaining fast publicity and nothing more than that.
Many artists compose music for 3 years before releasing their first track,thats the people we must respect and not those that finish a couple of tracks and want to be called artists and to release their music the day after they finished the tracks.
And thats why so much crap music is around because people make a couple of tracks,send it to all the labels they know and if they are lucky enough someone will release something.
If they are not so lucky a friend of theirs will found a new label (or even themself) and release this so called artist work just to promote him and to make him popular.
Just look around you and see all this crap music released from 'New Artists' from all these 'New Labels'.
And dont worry about me and the label that i coorporate with since we dont release Slayer music
or Megadeth or i dont know what else.
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 25, 2003 23:54
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Zombi if they dont deal with money then these artists can freely put away their music on the net just like another user said so that the whole world can enjoy their stuff.
Everybody will be happy this way and if their music is good then a label will show interest for them soon.
We are talking about what labels release here not what artists want to release. Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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Zombi
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Posted : Feb 26, 2003 00:12
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man there is ppl who make parties and bring small acts and diversity, there is ppl who make parties and bring 3 "killer" and pretty boring banalic acts, both make trance event -
now the question - is it same ?????
no,no,no..
same about labels and everything - there is more who look for money sucess and there who look to innovate and provide, both labels, but not the same..
and u can hear it in music...
thats why better think music, not money..
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 26, 2003 00:29
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Since trance is becoming more commercial (i dont know if that is good or bad though)then it is easy to understand its connection with money and promotion.
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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Zombi
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Posted : Feb 26, 2003 00:35
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no,no,no..
since trance become commerzial, mean less innovate and surprize (ye, nothing to do with that, commerzial mean less place for art and innovation), more and most labels care about comercial suces, mean dont give chance to different soundz, thats why ppl organizate themself and start labels that releasing their own music and their friends music, usualy as u can see first cd's of every label is a very good ones, but if we stick to your theory its have to be bad music coze its music nobody wanted to release, but its not, usualy its a best cd's around, pretty fact.
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makunta
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Posted : Feb 26, 2003 01:03
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oh yes..zombie cocktail...you choose those words i wanna say before better:))
100% in your opinion
love & peace to everyone:)) |
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 26, 2003 01:26
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Zombi a labels first cd is always the better it can be because labels try to make a good name for themselves as you can easily understand.
I am not talking about every label around and you know that.The problem is the existence of many labels that release music not of the highest quality and not of the best and innovative ideas around.These are the labels that i refer too.
Our world is full of bad music and thats what i am trying to say,i dont have anything against you or Praecox or Nasa or Native Radio that our friend mentioned that dont have many releases.
Maybe what we consider good is bad for the majority and what we consider bad might be the best for the rest.
Some people like Skazi and GMS,some other like Ticon and Son Kite and some others prefer Shpongle and Entheogenic,its all a matter of taste indeed.
Labels have a certain profile and release the music that think that people will like and probably buy.Nobody would release something that people wouldnt buy because if you dont buy something means that you dont like it.
So to finish this conversation and reach a point maybe labels,or the majority of them to be more correct,dont think that Nasa or Native Radio make good music and so they wont release any of their stuff because simply the label managers think that people wouldnt buy it.
What sells is not necessery good,BUT ITS NOT NECESSERY GOOD FOR US AND ONLY.
Personally my opinion is and i will stick with it is that people that make good music with high production quality and pionner ideas will be released FOR SURE the sooner or later.
I dont think that labels are so stupid that they cant recognize good music and take advandage of them.
Who doesnt want to find a good new artist anyway in ourdays.
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Namhaj
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Posted : Feb 26, 2003 13:20
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Well i must say from my point of view that the trance scene has gone all fluffy  , there is a severe imbalance... Personally i love to hear the dark  night music at parties, but i rarely hear it anymore, perhaps the trance culture is under some collective xtc episode haha 
Lots of drizzle (i dont mean garbage, more like lacking creativity or darkness hoohoohahahaha  ) gets released these days, i dont necessarily believe most labels go on quality alone, its more to do with the style, even tho quality is a must. And the style is fluff or full on. I can understand the business security of following the herd, but personally i dont adhere to that. But of course the people ultimately decide what gets bought and what doesnt, but what they have the opportunity to buy is limited to what the label percieves to be sellable. A change in the way labels operate will come soon for the benefit of the lesser known artists
If you make darker music and your not getting the opportunity you think you deserve  , send me your demos, if your prodcution quality is high, it will more than likely have a place on my label... i have even better ideas for upcoming artists in the future.. more on that later.
Send to:
Nervine Records
P.O. Box 802
Kings Langley 2147
Australia
www.nervine-records.com
PS Thank you for the compliment Makunta  |
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Kiou
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Posted : Feb 26, 2003 17:34
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In my opinion, before a couple of years and back all good stuff would found his way to get released. But I don’t believe that anymore…most of label’s and promoters are going the easy and safe way. Established label’s try to find established acts to fill in their compilations also promoters do the same thing…they bring big names to make big party’s and big money. Before 7-8 years things where the oposite..everybody was trying to find the super unknown fresh artists that would play or produce the super new fresh stuff…everybody wanted to take this music forward. Now we hardly hear anything new around…that’s why so much full on. I feel like someone pressed the pause button in this scene. and the pause button is damaging the “tape”.
Things are stacked in the same sound for years. Its obvious that nobody makes better full on music than gms or talamasca that’s a fact and that’s the lack. Stack out of the same sounds, try to create the psychedelic trance music of 2003 and further not of 1994-1996. don't close your minds. psy music is NOT only one style...expand ppl!!!
personaly i'm into progressive stuff. And progressive I mean that i like dark stuff (midimiliz, contact, pps project or amphasis, echotek, Llopis and etnoscope) to morning stuff like ticon, flowjob, psyless groove, phony orphants, frogacult, antix, alegria etcccc.
and i beg for new labels that will release new stuff like that, cause the others are stacked. i'm realy can't wait to get the releases from from Zinon rec, Nervine rec, Star Jelly, H&H, LoveSonicDisco, Protone, save to disk, society fx, sub machine and all others that don’t make a label to make money but are giving the change to ppl to hear to something different and new.
for detox:
detox, if you think that somebody needs at least 3 years to produce music until he releases something...then i believe that someone must listen to a music for at least 5 years just to have a strong and solid opinion like you... have you ever done the “karahana” so you know what we are talking about???? Or you try to become a pioneer of the scene by posting messages in a forum????
...i see also that you promote lately things only you are involved (big commercial party’s and label's that try’s to release music from all ready established artists) that is not bad. But don’t try to convince us that this is the right and only way or that all good stuff will be released. It want if it’s not full on in our days.
Praecox is in this music before you would even imagine that this music exists. He knows what he is saying and his got many releases in his back!!
…open your mind dude, smoke a joint and relax…don’t try too hard to be “popular in the scene”. You are doing what you criticize.
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makunta
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Posted : Feb 26, 2003 17:58
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I can understand the business security of following the herd, but personally i dont adhere to that. But of course the people ultimately decide what gets bought and what doesnt, but what they have the opportunity to buy is limited to what the label percieves to be sellable.
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we can see what people like to buy at the moment:
watch the special price cd´s in www.saikosounds.com you don´t found there any progressive beats like spirallianz,midi miliz,lish and so on....but you found there many many compilations and full on or housy minimal stuff...
love & peace to everyone:)) |
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 26, 2003 18:31
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Kiou i said that some artists have tried a lot before releasing something and that i dont like it when people finish a track and want to release it the day after.Come on you know what i mean and ofcourse you know that i am speaking only for myself in this forum and that i dont have and dont need to convince anyone about anything.I want to believe that everyone is smart enough to judge for himself.
Also you mentioned that lately i promote only things that i am involved in them.You must be joking.
What do i have to earn from having 4 GMS tracks in my last months top ten or from reviewing compilations from Shaffel,Twisted and Spun Records?
You know what i mean right?
I have nothing against Praecox,i dont even know him,i just dont aggree with him.When you dont aggree with someone that doesnt mean that this someone becomes your enemy.
And finally if i wanted to become popular i would dj or compose music or appear on tv or something.
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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Borris
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Posted : Feb 27, 2003 15:49
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Please remember a basic buisness lesson.
in order to survive you need to sell. as a lable you need to sell about 1000-1500 copies of a CD top cover it's costs. this is very hard theese days.
thi sis why alot of the better but less comercial music isn't geting it's chance.
about lables releasing friends music. it's easier to get, and usually easier to deal with. also some lables have multi album contracts with artists. i don't see Spirit Zone releasing any New artists albums, cause the situation isn't the best but they still have to comply to their contracts with the likes of Space tribe and Electric Universe (not that their music isn't good).
Personal labels to release your own music is quite comon in Techno and Acid scenes. people release 300-500 vinyls of a track, and if it makes it on the Dancefloors then some biger label picks it up for a biger run.
Kinetic Honda GmbH, Worldwide Supliers of Quality noise.
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makunta
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Posted : Feb 28, 2003 17:50
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that the buisness situation is not the best we know all...the main problems is the "sharing"...
but remember who knows lish or cosma before when they release their first album...only people in israel....and now the albums are definitly bestsellers...because the quality is high and it not sounds like everybody´s sound...
i can´t believe that the many compilations which come out every week will sold so many times...
only the best compi´s...because the most people check the sound before either in pages like psyshop or saikosounds...or on mp3 format compi´s...so they choose themselve what album is useful to buy and which not...
so i do too..i only buy the albums what i definitly know i need to play at partys...it is not like years before that someone buy the albums because the name is .."psychedelic gate" or "goa sound" and check the albums after buying...and find out only 1 track or 2 tracks good the rest is bullshit...
so in my opinion it is better to take the risk with making an complete album of an artist ... everybody can check the sound and if he like he buy...
in germany not many people know platform..only the people which like tech and having internet...but for sure the album will be sold many times...
love & peace to everyone:)) |
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