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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 22:06
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On 2008-04-28 21:29, syrex wrote:
my wave form not allways giving me the sub bass i want so it needs a procces
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My strong advice to you then is choose one that does.
Seriously.
Whatever process you apply, when it comes down to it, you are trying to make a purse out of a sow's ear.
If the wave has not got the bass freqs you need, then it isn't the right wave.
If it does have the subs, but at too quiet a volume. Reduce the volume of everything else using a shelf.
*Typcally* your subs on the kick and the bass should be the same volume. Get them the same and then go from there.  .
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syrex
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 22:26
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Deranger
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 22:34
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how do i make a group channel in FL ?
and if i want different settings for the kick and the bass, let's say different eq for each other, and after that to send them to a group channel how can i do it ? |
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 23:25
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you have plenty of subs.
Look in a spectrogrph.
The problem is the kick tone, with the amount of top snap you have in the bass, you need more tops in your kick.
Its very very middy, which is making everything low sound muddy. I think you've filtered out the tops pretty brutally? There apperas to be virtually no high end at all - which is why it sounds so middy.
I'd also recommend just brushing the tops of the bass with a further LP stage.
you also have muddiness in the low EQ.
here is my effort - obviously somewhat limited as I can't address each element of your mix individually. Would also be easier to get this spot on with other percussion parts.
http://files.filefront.com/bassrepairzwav/;10097336;/fileinfo.html
but really, you have plenty of subz... touch the cone as its playing... shitloads! .
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Deranger
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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 00:44
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can someone answer my question plz ? =)
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bandarlog
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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 02:12
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On 2008-04-28 22:34, Deranger wrote:
how do i make a group channel in FL ?
and if i want different settings for the kick and the bass, let's say different eq for each other, and after that to send them to a group channel how can i do it ?
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- Create two efxchannels, 1 for bass 1 for kick.
- route these channels to a third efxchannel as follows: select your bass efxchannel then click on the arrow pointed upwards at the bottom of the third (group)channel (above 'EFX'. Now it's yellow and there's a knob active (which defines how much % of the efx will be send to that channel). Be sure to stop routing your kick and bass efxchannels to the main or else they'll be playing double (one time in the groupchannel, one time in the main). Hope that cleared things out. Showing you would take 5 secs.
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sly
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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 02:45
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speaka is giving good advice here.
i wonder why people always put so many comp, dist, rbass... whatever on bass. i know in some cases you need but it's possible to make a nice bassline with just one slight eq.
but no problem, let's try to help.
i think the kick is more or less allright. sure, compared to the bass it could have more tops but it's not that bad.
what i don't understand is the style you try to make. you asked about fullon but this bass is not very fullonish  i mean at least not like the main part of a fullon track bass (i guess you know what i mean)
so i refer to the title of the topic...
start with kbbb. shorten the kick to about 120-140 ms (now it's almost 200 ms). i would cut some of the mid frequencies out that you have klick and oomph. bass has lot of subs but maybe you just draw too short notes. or try full sustain on amp or check filter decay settings.
i made that with your kick (+ a bit boosting on the top) and put another bassline on it (albino, bit of eq and slight comp). it's not perfect at all. was just 5 minutes on headphones
but it's a bit more fullon i guess. and if i'm wrong and you won't make fullon do what speakafreaka said.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/gux3wo
now i listened a bit more to the kick, and yes, i would work on that first.
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syrex
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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 06:03
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1.i didnt brush as i said i dont use lp or hp on eather the kick or the bass.
Speakafreaka actually i did know there was a slight problem with the kick as i heard the track a couple of times but if you dont mind sharing what was the procces you made cause i liked the results...thx from advance
wich freqs did you handle it sonds like 300-350? |
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 10:27
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On 2008-04-28 21:29, syrex wrote:
atma....i heard your tracks and one of them is The Ganzfeld Experiment this is a trilogy or cronox if im not mistaken and thats the kind of type of resolt i want...if you can help
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Well it's Vb 1. I use Vb 1 in all my full on tracks. If it sounds good for me i use it.
I don't care when peoples say it is overused. The public don't care and don't know what soft or syth it is, only the producers...and, i make music for myself and for the public, not for other producers 
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I made 2 diffrent chanells for kick and bass and i send them to a mono group chanell so i can control both.
On the kick chanell i use only Eq and FL Peack Controller, and on the bassline i use Eq, Waves Maxibass (with a very light setting...-20db) and a sidechain compressor connected to the FL Peack Controller from the Kick chanell. As compressor i use Ultrafunk Sonitus.
Now on the mono group chanell i use another light compressor and very light eq to so i can controll and fit both, the kick in the bassline in the track much easy. This time the compressor has very light settings and a slow attack becasue i want only to give groove to the mix and not to destroy it. The treshold is set to cut only the high peaks from the mix.(maximum 1.5 db)
Anyway, i think the main trick in making good bassline and kick is the Eq. Without good Eq settings, all the compresions, maximizers and stuff are useless.
One good trick with the eq is to cut wth it and not to add freqs. You can also add some freqs that are missing but never add more than 1db or 1.5 db. If your sound need more than 1.5 db in some freqs range to sound good, than you better change it...find diffrent sound.
It's to better spend more hours looking for the right patch or sample than to spend weeks trying to make a bad sound to sound good.
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missing-link
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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 11:09
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Hey all so do you guys put dist on the group channel not just on the bass channel ?
and of its ok can some one tell me a bit more about the use of hp and lp on the bass sounds... would realy help
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sly
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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 13:56
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On 2008-04-29 11:09, missing-link wrote:
Hey all so do you guys put dist on the group channel not just on the bass channel ?
and of its ok can some one tell me a bit more about the use of hp and lp on the bass sounds... would realy help
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distortion: what sounds good...
eq: less as possible. maybe the very high end and below 20-30hz, some slight cuts where it fits.
read what domestic wrote in this thread. i think it was probably the best advice in this forum.
http://forum.isratrance.com/domestic-bass-please-read-before-flaming/page2/ |
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syrex
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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 16:40
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sly
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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 17:06
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1. rocks. lead is a bit loud (but cool).
2. rocks as well. no clue how. just try, try and try.
(3. rapsidshare sucks, except happy hours) |
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Deranger
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Posted : Apr 30, 2008 15:20
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- Create two efxchannels, 1 for bass 1 for kick.
- route these channels to a third efxchannel as follows: select your bass efxchannel then click on the arrow pointed upwards at the bottom of the third (group)channel (above 'EFX'. Now it's yellow and there's a knob active (which defines how much % of the efx will be send to that channel). Be sure to stop routing your kick and bass efxchannels to the main or else they'll be playing double (one time in the groupchannel, one time in the main). Hope that cleared things out. Showing you would take 5 secs.
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THX alot! works perfectly
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