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splikz
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Posted : Mar 19, 2014 01:22
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your kick has a residual low end tail that can mess with the bass notes.
and also some slight distortion. if the reverb messes with the low end of your tracks don't use it on the low end.
or use just a bit on the bass. |
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 19, 2014 02:13
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maybe the kicks just not got enough energy
to make the verb sound spacey and round, carful of refection and distance??
make kick best u can first b4 anything
a send channel - try putting a widener b4 the verb,increase then after reverb use a delay set it to manual..one part 0.00 secs the other around 0.15... full wet 0 feed back, go bak to the verb if necessary and callabrate the pre delay, techno kick progressive kick benifits the pre.. set the damping , balance the wet and dry.. M/S EQ (after delay)make your chosen hp points for both mid and side
and a normal eq but split to L&R (b4 the reverb),do parallel bells ang strange groovey shelfs (preflaby symetrical,as dont want to destort thesense of center and outer center) and find a sweet spots that widens image nicely... compress/sidechain if needed.. and type of widener ,bx control?s1? adjust the overall image and whack LL3-multi on master, whack that up till it bites
result... a fat stereo widendish mono sitting kick, all other sounds can enter it also including your bassline.. should give overal image a sense of unity if tweaked right
if u want examples n shots pm me, then can judge hear for yourself
this is just away that works ok 4me, more that many ways as smoker n others points out
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splikz
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Posted : Mar 19, 2014 02:31
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On 2014-03-19 02:13, jizy wrote:
maybe the kicks just not got enough energy
to make the verb sound spacey and round,
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exactly.
reverb will be more noticeable for longer and rounder kicks, to give them more body.
for short and clicky kicks at a fast tempo, not really necessary imo.
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 19, 2014 02:34
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quite right...
but also nessary if u want overall image Subtly united, matter of taste.. why this is a send channel as all others can happly enter it without nasty conflicts of L&R M&S as we have adjusted our eqs to suit it..
it is CPU intensive 4me atleast but it really does give image i been after..or atleast hear in some tracks..
shit, choice of eq is r-verb, want to try some of 'Overlouds BVERB' tho when get a chance
its also worth mentioning that Nebular is good too ... sampled from hardware verbs using high end converters striaght in2 the box..
all that above me tho isnt no good if the kick is not ment for it... make it punch and tweak the verb..requires patience of a spider tho i will say ... 
ok maybe not zippyshare. its probly made sound even worse, soundslike a wet fish bieng slapped across someone face lol..
feel free Mods to add or pick me up on anything eh?... |
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splikz
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Posted : Mar 19, 2014 02:57
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I like tc m40 reverb.
artsacoustic reverb offers a lot more control. including damping.
and a nice free one is karmaFX reverb. |
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 19, 2014 02:59
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yeh thats good too, sod it im guna make what i mean..
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 19, 2014 05:11
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knocz
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Posted : Mar 19, 2014 11:34
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On 2014-03-19 05:11, jizy wrote:
may of added to much wet one above,only really notice in headphones
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Definitely! The result is like a double kick, with some phasing issues, instead of a fuller kick.. Just like a DJ who miss matched two tracks and has the beat play on both of them
This is the issue with applying time-based effects to our sine wave kick - it starts loosing it's sine wave definition, and the more you apply the more it will sound like two kicks instead of a single one.
I say try a bit with volume automation and EQ'ing to give your kick a little boost (or subtract everything else) in the range you want it, say 100 Hz to 250 Hz to have a fuller body, or 70 Hz to 120 Hz so give it a little more umpfh umpfh 
Or, if using the reverb, use very little mix setting, somewhere between 2% to 10% of wet - and if that doesn't work, than maybe you cant "fix" it with a reverb.. 
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 19, 2014 15:08
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cheers for input.... yeh i defiantly over did it there,,lol annoyingly checked on my speakers after id uploaded..
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 19, 2014 16:40
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soz about that sun.. i need to recheck my chain with fresh ears as it shouldnt of ended up that way.. hence the m/s eq section to prevent the phasin and double trackish soundin fx ... my bad,, for not making it subtle enough
im ok at eqing and wasnt tryna fix it with reverb,sun wants the element brought out of dead center slightly..
i had it right 5yeears ago lol cant remember exacly what i did ..fuuuk lol
il leave that kick up as an example of wot not 2do..lol ,oops,will add notes 2it
back to the drawing board
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Midnight Sun
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Posted : Mar 20, 2014 06:19
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Well thank you all, I tryed all your tips but got same results, anyway I found the answer to my problem, after dealing with all king of stuff, it was very simple though.. There's a parameter in Waves True Verb that adds early reflection, yes thats it, I just set to about -14 and it's finally done.
Here's the result: http://www74.zippyshare.com/v/65849728/file.html
This is the closest i can get so far, the next step would be just renderng a simgle kick and shorten decay time to make it even more tight.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 20, 2014 23:23
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I'd set up an auxiliary channel (aka return channel) with a Q removing the lows before the reverb plug-in itself, thus ensuring no messy lows get mixed with it.
no pre-delay, 'cause it's going to produce the double kick mess or an echo effect, instead of the bigger airy tail, right? sidechaining the reverb with kick's input helps the kick cut through without muddying it up with the reverb, again none to very small attack on it, and adjust the decay so that it feels like one sound. ok, but all this has been said before.
I think you can also try to use gates, noise-gates - alone or combined with the sidechain; also using kick as input and allowing you to adjust hold and release times for the reverb, instead of just relying on it's own parameter sections. sometimes a longer reverb that's volume automated (with gates, sidechain or, guess what, volume automation) can sound better then just using the reverb with a decay time that suits the groove. cheers |
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 21, 2014 13:15
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side chaining verbs is great way to go for spectral space! not to obvious tho of takin away naturalality ..if thats a word?
i tried Overlouds Breverb 2 last night, really good, it comes with built in gate also!...
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moleqlarsuperstructure
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Posted : Mar 21, 2014 13:31
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