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Diagnosed Hippie
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Posted : Jan 28, 2014 09:11
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you can test this by taking span set it on lowfreq analyzer. making a bassline in for example G and then se what the highest peak is, and that should be about 50hz.. it's not that complicated..! |
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Sgt-Kabukiman
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Posted : Jan 28, 2014 14:28
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First: the problem with finding the fundamental note of a kick is, that as soon as you tweak a sine wive to sound like a kick (no matter if you use a kick synth or a regular synth), the most energetic frequency isn't the root note anymore, but lingers about a note or two above it, depending on what analyzer you use (what faxinadu said is indeed true: A root note of 49 Hz, so a G, peaks at around 54 Hz using Abletons 'Specturm' and 64 Hz using SPAN.) It's really easy to test when you use a kick-synth such as Bazzism...
Second: knowing the fundamental note of a kick won't necessarily make your bass fit to it when they share it. I'd go as far as to say that it doesn't matter at all. They fit together when it sounds good. Pretty simple imo. |
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Analog Archangel
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Posted : Jan 28, 2014 17:32
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On 2014-01-28 14:28, Sgt-Kabukiman wrote:
First: the problem with finding the fundamental note of a kick is, that as soon as you tweak a sine wive to sound like a kick (no matter if you use a kick synth or a regular synth), the most energetic frequency isn't the root note anymore, but lingers about a note or two above it, depending on what analyzer you use (what faxinadu said is indeed true: A root note of 49 Hz, so a G, peaks at around 54 Hz using Abletons 'Specturm' and 64 Hz using SPAN.) It's really easy to test when you use a kick-synth such as Bazzism...
Second: knowing the fundamental note of a kick won't necessarily make your bass fit to it when they share it. I'd go as far as to say that it doesn't matter at all. They fit together when it sounds good. Pretty simple imo.
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First off, nice name duuuude, The Toxic Avenger kicks ass...
Second, this is true, however, the root note doesn't necessarily have to be found AS LONG as the notes surrounding that note are found that way it will be alot easier to find the root note by ear so in a sense it is helpful, some may argue this but that's ok imo. I've tried this out on different spectrum analyzers and the notes I were getting were circulating F so I was getting Gb A A# etc etc... so you can just play around those notes and carefully listen with your ear until it sounds right. Doing the entire process by ear is not my prefered method, and I've learned that from my first EP. |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jan 28, 2014 21:07
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OK. Experience this:
grab your two analyzers that don't agree with each other and head to settings, make them have the same resolution and refresh speed, now check again if they don't match.
I'm saying this because I have overwritten the default settings on some, so they match. Ozone, bluecat's, span.
Not like what's under the hood on an analyser is rocket science that different manufacturers/developers would get it wrong or a few cents or even entire semitones offset, right?
So yeah, if you change the RMS average time on meters, they'll also give you different values. So I can't trust those either, uh?
if you place your kick on some big cohones kind of distortion, full wet, you'll ear a tone. even if your kick doesn't seemingly have a clear tone, not all kicks do - mind you - and you can make your bass fit this tone then delete this mad distortion thing. it's kind of a handy trick.
but overall, if you pick some note, say D# and pick some instrument and make it's pitch come down from a few octaves up fast enough, the kick will land on D#. So, who cares what note the transient is at? it's this lat bit of the kick, the bassier tone, that needs to sing with the bass. otherwise, think of it this way: if you were to make this pitch modulation with the envelope last for two seconds, which note would that be? |
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Posted : Jan 28, 2014 21:58
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On 2014-01-28 21:07, frisbeehead wrote:
it's this lat bit of the kick, the bassier tone, that needs to sing with the bass.
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^THIS. That pretty much clears it up for me, a
EDIT: OK, got it all figured out now, this is a simple breakdown of what I have done.
Using the information Frisbeehead gave me, I have concluded that EVERY kick produced in soundforge is at C by default (go figure, pretty obvious huh?) SO, whatever root note I wanna use for my track so F for example, just pitch shift the kick in soundforge up 5 semitones and now importing the kick into cubase and attaching SPAN to the kick solo'd I end up with a nice F sitting on that kick and I've tried harmonizing it with a bass pattern and it's pretty sexy... so thanks all for the help <3
Thanks for the tips, another trick up my sleeve is always good  |
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