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moki
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 22:30
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but thanks to RaDioAcTiVe AcIdHeAd for the brilliant post.
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bbgun
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Posted : Sep 12, 2009 06:29
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Unfortunately, I think it takes an educated Indian to see how incredibly funny it is for a foreigner to be in Moki's position . She seems to think that her nondescript objects are a key to the universe or something. But in reality, they are objects which need to be laughed at. And she needs to be laughed at. And the sadhus must be laughed at or scowled at for shitting in the rivers and killing fish.
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mk47
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Posted : Sep 12, 2009 10:00
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yeah ^ , she just doesn't get it , does she ..
moki , this somewhat morbid fixation with all things occult and unwavering belief in all this hokus pokus .. going about living life with these blinders is unhealthy , very bad for the mind .. just like a poor villager from bihar who got nothing in life , so they hold onto strange ideas , whatever , your choice ....
acid casualty ?
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moki
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Posted : Sep 12, 2009 12:56
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ahhhh. if i were another indian, i would send a mail to the isratrance admin to ban you for a couple of hours for this post.  )))). it seems to me as a foreigner that you dont give a shit about the most ancient cultural heritage that you have and this is very funny from my view of perspective.
it is like to have 4 kg gold and to go to look for a couple of small golden pieces on the rivers because you dont see your own.
but never mind, i am not indian, so i dont really care for you. i go straight to the moountains and dont spend much time with modern india. live in modern germany to compensate. pity that i have no ignore functions in this forum:))).
but actually so the way the forums are, i can always expect a trance moderator to come and tell me not to abuse you. unfortunately, i cant live according to trance moderators. never ever.
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bbgun
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Posted : Sep 12, 2009 14:12
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Well, you don't realize Saddhus are among the filthiest and least productive people in India. The vast majority of them are rip-off artists who make a living off people such as yourself. So, I can't blame you for defending your brothers. Anyhow, with regard to my country's heritage I'm well aware of it. Thus, it is a constant field of enquiry. I'd rather do this, than behave like a nasty hipster such as yourself, who is looking for something, that you will never find  |
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toogoodforyou
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Posted : Sep 12, 2009 20:31
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On 2009-09-12 06:29, bbgun wrote:
But in reality, they are objects which need to be laughed at. And she needs to be laughed at. And the sadhus must be laughed at or scowled at for shitting in the rivers and killing fish.
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moki
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Posted : Sep 12, 2009 21:43
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i dont know the india you are talking about. and i am happy that there are different levels of reality you can experience in each different place on earth. i stay in a different india than yours.
and btw there are sacred places which concentrate the female energy to such an extent that you can get an orgasm alone by staying there. it is the vortex of kundalini of the mother.
but even there, some people will not feel anything special about it and just get a bit nervous, because their kundalini is sleeping anyway. it is so steadily fixed into one certain idea of what's reality, that these people dont even notice that the place is different from anywhere else.
these are the protectors of shiva. their role in society as being looked down upon as unproductive ( whatever you might define as unproductive), is supposed only to put the intrudors away from the sacred. if you judge people on materialism and how productive they are, then you should better stay away anyway. so a glorious role or a kasta of the sadhus in your mind would not really be of any positive sense.
but if you wanna believe, you can believe whatever. it is a free world. and as i always said there is a big difference between sadhu and naga baba. the categories are not on same hierarchical level of cultural recognition.
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AumShantiAum
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Posted : Sep 12, 2009 23:51
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On 2009-09-12 14:12, bbgun wrote:
Well, you don't realize Saddhus are among the filthiest and least productive people in India.
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This is pretty ignorant generalization to be making. I have seen enough saddhus who are genuine and spend most of their time meditating. You know Hinduism has its different paths and they are genuinely following the path of renunciation.
Its not that I dont agree that there are plenty of rip off babas doing all sorts of fucked up shit. The fact is you find all those sorts of saddhus mainly in the places where firangs go. If you cant see the difference between the babas with good intentions and those with bad intentions thats your problem but dont make huge generalizations that all babas are filthy and unproductive. In fact many babas will be extremely sharp, intelligent and clean people. They might not be doing something that you see as "productive", but to many people they do play and important and productive role in their lives.
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toogoodforyou
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Posted : Sep 13, 2009 02:19
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On 2009-09-12 14:12, bbgun wrote:
Well, you don't realize Saddhus are among the filthiest and least productive people in India.
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This is pretty ignorant generalization to be making. I have seen enough saddhus who are genuine and spend most of their time meditating. You know Hinduism has its different paths and they are genuinely following the path of renunciation.
Its not that I dont agree that there are plenty of rip off babas doing all sorts of fucked up shit. The fact is you find all those sorts of saddhus mainly in the places where firangs go. If you cant see the difference between the babas with good intentions and those with bad intentions thats your problem but dont make huge generalizations that all babas are filthy and unproductive. In fact many babas will be extremely sharp, intelligent and clean people. They might not be doing something that you see as "productive", but to many people they do play and important and productive role in their lives.
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Yes, I'm sure there are rishis who are clean and are truly meditative people. They contribute to society in a different way. In fact I've met a couple myself. But they didn't hand me random objects saying they belong to Kali, instead they suggest and promote real meditation for everyone.
But I think bbgun is referring to the full time charsis who call themselves sadhus or nagas which Moki visited at the Kumbh Mela. The only good quality about these guys is that they consume less resources  |
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bbgun
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Posted : Sep 13, 2009 07:16
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@AumShantiAum... Given reality, it's safer to make a generalization that these so called saddhus are unproductive than productive. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there maybe some genuine people who promote meditation as toogoodforyou said. But, the vasty majority of them are nothing but filthy primates who run around naked and smoke charas. As you said, these kind of sadhus are concentrated in the firang visited areas, that's exactly my point. Many of the respectable ones leave such areas and go around teaching. |
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bbgun
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Posted : Sep 13, 2009 07:26
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PS - I don't know how credulous you are, but I would NEVER take any object given to me by any spiritual/religious racketeer seriously. I mean Moki is talking about Rudrakshas, every tom dick and harry has one dude. I had one when I was 13, but some chutiya watchman at the golf course attacked me and stole it because I was smashed and made some faces at him hehe. However, the loss didn't hurt |
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bbgun
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Posted : Sep 13, 2009 07:45
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And a true but irrelevant story: a friend of mine booked goa gil for a party and put him up in a hotel because he didn't want his house to smell hehehehehehe. Although Goa Gil is NO saddhu |
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moki
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Posted : Sep 13, 2009 23:08
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i was not talking about rudraksha, this was a side story. the objects of kali are different, but i see, you obviously need to have thing repeated more than once in order to understand them.
i understand your state of logical combinatoric and its uisufficiency. and i leave you with an empathic feeling but i really dont see your point in one word. what do you want? is there anything you want or you just complain and lose time of others?:)
there is a different topic about Goa Gil...
i dont refer to him here with the story of Kali except for the release. i was talking about a naga baba with a different status or function within juna akhara.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Sep 14, 2009 00:32
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If this board had an ignore function, you probably would be pleased to think that everyone else is always silently agreeing with almost everything you post on these forums.
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Too bad there is something called free speech which the moderators seem to respect as much as you abuse it. I'm sure the mods are not the only ones chuckling at someone like you trying to swing the ban-hammer at whomever you don't agree with. If someone like you can get away with saying the things they do (since you have no problem with insulting anyone you feel like on these forums and acting like you're doing them a favor by doing it) then other people are entitled to express their own back-asswards opinions.
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AumShantiAum
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Posted : Sep 14, 2009 01:22
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On 2009-09-13 07:16, bbgun wrote:
@AumShantiAum... Given reality, it's safer to make a generalization that these so called saddhus are unproductive than productive. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there maybe some genuine people who promote meditation as toogoodforyou said. But, the vasty majority of them are nothing but filthy primates who run around naked and smoke charas. As you said, these kind of sadhus are concentrated in the firang visited areas, that's exactly my point. Many of the respectable ones leave such areas and go around teaching.
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I still dont agree that the vast majority of saddhus are total bums like that.
Given that, the things Moki speaks of suggests that she might have encountered some scamster babas.
@Moki: your focus seems to be on the stranger practices of india. and like many westerners you get this mixed up idea of Hinduism that equates it with some kind of occult religion. You talk so much about the animal sacrifice and sexual aspects of Tantra, when in reality these are such small tiny parts of a much larger idea. And I suppose its not your fault entirely because I see how in most western countries as soon as you mention the word Tantra everyone thinks of sex. I find it so stupid that Tantra has been reduced to sex and strange practices in all these western countries. I think perhaps you should step back, read some texts ( i suggest you avoid the Tantric texts for the time being and read some earlier literature), and observe more. Perhaps youll get a clearer picture of what Hinduism really is, a way of life.
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