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Kali the Dark Goddess
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toogoodforyou
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 09:50
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On 2009-09-10 04:20, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
may be you are right.
(but i dont believe that i am making them all in my mind, because the sadhu was also very serious as he told me that they are very powerful objects and very rare and come from xyz very special place and it is extremely bad to lose them.
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Anybody can tell you things very seriously. You should not believe it all. Especially not a sadhu whose only contribution to this world is lighting up a 'chillum'. There are infinite such sadhus (who smoke or don't smoke) in India who will give you such objects. Some will also try to sell them. Do not take this seriously. Maybe your Sadhu actually believes in this stuff he told you himself.
If these objects have any importance, its due to the belief you have in them. Your mind will link all the good & bad happenings in your life to these objects. |
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toogoodforyou
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 10:06
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My explanation regarding the stories about Kali & other 'Gods'
Have you played the game Chinese whispers?
The statement announced by the last player differs significantly, and often amusingly, from the one uttered by the first.
The more players you add, the more different will be the last statement from the orignal.
So you can imagine how much truth must be there in the stories about Kali, which have been passed through generations. Most of them are just vague interpretations.
Basically we cannot even be sure about the stories or symbol of Kali and this Sadhu has given you powerful objects related to her?? lol
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 11:20
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One time a Voudoun priestess gave me a "mojo", told me it was attuned personally to me, and nobody else should ever touch it and I should never lose it, or bad (even life threatening) things would happen to them or to me.
I tied it onto my keyboard case, and of course many people I knew touched it asking what it was. Some years ago, I lost it. Nothing bad ever happened to the people who touched it or to me for losing it. In fact, my life's agenda has continued uninterruptedly positive ever since I set down that path, well before I recieved the "mojo".
It was comforting to look at it and touch it when I had it, and I felt a little bit bad for losing it, but I got over it before too long. And Toogoodforyou was right, those feelings were because of the values I assigned those things in my mind. The most significant change losing that mojo has had in my mind (besides showing me tangibly the concept Toogood illustrated above) is that now I have one less trinket (albeit a small one) to concern my thoughts and energy with and drag around behind me needlessly.
And both of those things are very POSITIVE things I received from losing my "mojo".
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moki
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 15:30
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was there anything inside the mojo??:)
@toogoodforyou: yes, of course it is possible that you are right.  but this is exactly what i am doing here in isratrance. i try to communicate with people form india right now here. i believe they heard the word of the game better )). they could give me an important sign for the next journey to india.
this is why this very same sadhu always told me that the oral tradition is the most important thing in hinduism - what a teacher tells personally and directly to his disciples orally. he said, that most things that the naga babas know about the myths and traditions actually come from oral teachings that have been given from teachers to students for 1000 of years....they have never been written.
i seem to believe in these objects just because i see the person who gave me that as a very special one. he is really not someone you could see like that in the street and he is well respected among the babas. he has babas as disciples.
and this makes it to such a powerful symbol for me.
but anyway, i started also a topic in the travel forum. check this also:
http://www.kumbhamela.net/
i woul dlike to go there this time "as the most simple person in the world" and just bathe and observe. and look for the mother goddess. not spend so much time in male hierarchical communities. it is not the right place for me, even if it is a great thing to be allowed to stay with the naga babas..
if i find a person or two from this forum to travel together, i would be more than happy. between januar and april. northern india. buah i already see it happening. may be i go even earlier. i am not gonna spend another winter in germany.
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bbgun
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 19:59
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On 2009-09-10 04:20, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
may be you are right.
(but i dont believe that i am making them all in my mind, because the sadhu was also very serious as he told me that they are very powerful objects and very rare and come from xyz very special place and it is extremely bad to lose them.
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Do you think the pious propagandists are kidding? I don't believe them in any case.
One of the biggest problems with the "oral tradition", besides herpes, is that each person it travels through adds their own masala to the mix. So as toogoodforyou said, by the time it reaches you, it's highly adulterated. |
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RaDioAcTiVe AcIdHeAd
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 20:37
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Regarding objects... im not sure what Moki timewave zero has got is genuine or not ,. but there are different objects around the world which does different things... there r things called power objects also... some objects have the capacity to hold energy... for eg : crystals store/absorb/release energies... even metals and precious stones etc has different capabalities... and there are other objects which we can manipulate to do certain things through energising them/white or black magic etc... and much more...
and regarding the chinese whisper stories, well ofcourse anything when it passes through many ppl gets modified... but probably the fact remeins hidden in the stories or message u hear.,... u must be able to look past these extra modified messages and see and identify the fact... sometimes u cannot take things very literally, it can be a metaphor or there will be a hidden meaning to things...
So what im saying is u cant be total skeptics abt such things but u need to look past the bullshite and recognise the facts or hidden meanings in it... But i do agree therre are a lot of made up conny stuff which are nonsense,. but with carefull observation and researching of the facts u can know if its genuine or not and wat the fact is all about...
Theres a lot of mysterious and magical things in this world... some good some bad... etc... u cannot just say nothing like that is there and we are all a byproduct of a aimless and directionless evolution and everytihng we see around us is just rocks and plants... There is a big history to us and a glorious future also...
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AumShantiAum
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 06:00
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On 2009-09-10 20:37, RaDioAcTiVe AcIdHeAd wrote:
Regarding objects... im not sure what Moki timewave zero has got is genuine or not ,. but there are different objects around the world which does different things... there r things called power objects also... some objects have the capacity to hold energy... for eg : crystals store/absorb/release energies... even metals and precious stones etc has different capabalities... and there are other objects which we can manipulate to do certain things through energising them/white or black magic etc... and much more...
and regarding the chinese whisper stories, well ofcourse anything when it passes through many ppl gets modified... but probably the fact remeins hidden in the stories or message u hear.,... u must be able to look past these extra modified messages and see and identify the fact... sometimes u cannot take things very literally, it can be a metaphor or there will be a hidden meaning to things...
So what im saying is u cant be total skeptics abt such things but u need to look past the bullshite and recognise the facts or hidden meanings in it... But i do agree therre are a lot of made up conny stuff which are nonsense,. but with carefull observation and researching of the facts u can know if its genuine or not and wat the fact is all about...
Theres a lot of mysterious and magical things in this world... some good some bad... etc... u cannot just say nothing like that is there and we are all a byproduct of a aimless and directionless evolution and everytihng we see around us is just rocks and plants... There is a big history to us and a glorious future also...
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well said.
and @Moki: just out of curiosity, what exactly are these objects? can u describe them
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bbgun
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 06:42
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On 2009-09-10 20:37, RaDioAcTiVe AcIdHeAd wrote:
Regarding objects... im not sure what Moki timewave zero has got is genuine or not ,. but there are different objects around the world which does different things... there r things called power objects also... some objects have the capacity to hold energy... for eg : crystals store/absorb/release energies... even metals and precious stones etc has different capabalities... and there are other objects which we can manipulate to do certain things through energising them/white or black magic etc... and much more...
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What is this nonsense? Black magic? White magic? HAHA. |
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mk47
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 14:38
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moki , first of all , there is no magic or curse in those objects , its just a random metal pot im guessing ? and sleeping with a naga certainly wont lift the curse , u be careful in india sista , sorry , but you are the cliche a lot of these sleazy `holymen` wait for .. tc
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moki
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 15:22
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On 2009-09-11 06:00, AumShantiAum wrote:
and @Moki: just out of curiosity, what exactly are these objects? can u describe them
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i cant describe them because i am not allowed to ( well allowed is not the right word, but he asked me not to). but it is nothing mentioned here till now. very far away. well, he said to me, as he gave them to me, not to tell anyone where they come from and what they are. so i dont tell anyone.
the only reason i write here is because i got kind of frightened in the last months, cause really bad things happened with violence and so on. and this sadhu is the last to ask me if i am alive at all. it is fucking same to him, obviously.
to the other user: can we move on with the film now, this is the episode of yesterday. we had this already in the goa gil topic.
i have never slept with a baba. and btw i have been practising solibacy now. i obviously do much better with it than the awakened souls running around isratrance to preach about what is tantra and what is hinduism. but anyway, why dont you f* take care about your own sexual needs instead? mines are covered because i just dont have any while having a period of solibacy. ( only miss the communication)
p.s. oh and btw to be more precise:
i have the rudraksha of my ex boy friend, because the baba did not like his behaviour of making jokes during the ritual , so he took the rudraksha off his neck and gave it to me. the other more special objects- i have two of them, mine and the one of the same ex friend of mine, but it was not because the baba wanted that. it was because this friend said this has no meaning. so i took them both.
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mk47
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 16:50
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hey I really meant no offense but the vast majority of your posts , spanning a variety of topics have somewhat lead me to take you as someone actually gullible enough to be tricked into that sort of thing , never insinuated anything . about these unmentionable objects though , its a load of crap , rid your mind of these nonsense thoughts , hinduism is way to esoteric for most people to ever really get the essence of , a religion formed thousands of years ago , for a people of thousands of years ago , stories needed to be elaborate probably , much is lost in translation , theres no point making sense of primitive shit like animal sacrifice in calcutta or wherever the hell , but u just keep goin on with it , its a load of bullshit .. grew up with this crap all around , it holds no charm nor meaning to anyone with a brain imo , specially indians .. i hope at least .
pff , getting high with a bunch of smelly sadhus in so much filth and squalor .. dirt and other crap , its just dumb . fuck kali |
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moki
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 18:03
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well, i wish you lots of amusement while you hope ( what you wrote you hope).))
sorry, your post is not even worth answering:)))) but i dont wanna offense you either, just to express some true feeling towards you. better have a feeling than no feeling at all , right?:)
yes fuck kali if you only can. but you can try to fuck her. wish you amusement with that as well.
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 18:30
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toogoodforyou
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 21:30
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On 2009-09-11 16:50, mk47 wrote:
but u just keep goin on with it , its a load of bullshit .. grew up with this crap all around , it holds no charm nor meaning to anyone with a brain imo , specially indians .. i hope at least .
pff , getting high with a bunch of smelly sadhus in so much filth and squalor .. dirt and other crap , its just dumb .
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+1 lol |
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moki
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 22:29
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the cosmic coinscidences finally took part some hours ago, which i am very happy about:)). i will get some answer from a female sattvi - she is in berlin as well. she is the most briliant female baba i have ever seen in my whole life. so accidently we are gonna meet and i am gonna put her all those questions about kali that i have in my mind:).
this doesnt mean that i did not enjoy the discussion, but i just see that a level has been reached which doesnt fit to my standards of rich discussion right now:). i mean, is really the spirituality forum then the most pleasant place to spend your time with??? i wouldn't on your place.
anyway, wish you all a nice start in the golden spring. lets greet the sun.
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