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mk47
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Posted : Sep 5, 2009 15:49
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ah , just stuff a tampon in the thing  |
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Sep 5, 2009 16:04
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Kali Tampons- Bloody Wish
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moki
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Posted : Sep 5, 2009 16:20
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nice avatar you have. i like it. if the colour of the nails was black , it would even fit into the topic perfectly.
i see it is not possible to have a serious discussion here:).
anyway, i guess, this winter the time has come for another india journey. i have prepared myself more than two years for it.
i will have to find the sadhu myself. looking already for ppl to meet there and travel together. contact me if you want.
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Sep 6, 2009 09:18
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yes if isratrance became a place for serious discussion then UN, WTO , Red Cross etc would shut down... imagine the amount of unemployment that it would create
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Posted : Sep 6, 2009 10:33
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On 2009-09-05 15:49, mk47 wrote:
ah , just stuff a tampon in the thing
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moki
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Posted : Sep 6, 2009 12:02
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buah. i really like the avatar here, a nice thing to see on waking up.
no, the form of the object doesnt fit at all for the purpose. not even slightly.
it is just strange, because i really dont know what to do with the objects. and they are very special to me though, because they are given by a sadhu together with rudraksha. and btw i have witnessed really a lot of violence and blood since i have them.
i hoped that the ppl from india might know sth more to tell me, that i dont know. not about kali and the two words. i know that kali the goddess is a different word from kali yuga.
you dont need to put all ppl from europe into one box of category. most westerners with a messiah awakened approach, that studied hinduism for a week or two, will even tell you that they know exactly when kali yuga will end or how many years we have till then. i dont belong to such people. i keep to the traditions and the scripts , even if i dont look like i would.
strange that only a link to goa gils release again leads to posts like " dont confuse". i havent even said something to comment it but i am already confusing.
well tell me what to do with the objects so that i dont confuse.
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Sep 6, 2009 12:32
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Kali as metaphor for a woman in labour and moments after giving birth. If you believe in re-incartion and rebirth then Kali is the mother who kills the old experience of life or the old soul and gives birth to the new soul...she serves as a reminder that the experience of death was not pleasant. She represents life in all totality...the dark and the light together create a reality which humans experience only on earth. The darkness is often reflected upon humans as evil and bad, and light is assumed to be good and beautiful..well Kali in all practicality represents a cloudy and stormy day...the gush of the wind is what kali is...she tells you forget the spirit and the soul...the physical itself is a great experience too..when you are born you experience the kindness of kali. Kali is that force and inner strength that erases the past experience of the soul and rebuilds the new soul piece by piece...and some good experiences and sensations are held in continuity...Kali represents the separation...the first experience of any human...Separation begins once the umbilical cord is cut off. At that point the human (male or female) develops its own personal identity and thereby making him or her separate from the birth-giver, who is always the mother. The reason why she is shown as the dark element is because often many male gods tend to feed the mind of the human with thoughts like "your mother may have given you birth but i gave birth to your soul"...this is an absolutely wrong and it is for this very reason that Kali is feared..she will destroy that thought in your mind that Men and women are the same...she is a reminder that only women are capable of mothering and males are capable of fathering...and no matter what the age or period of earth it is Women and Men are separate and different and there is nothing like Ardh-Nareshwar or half man half woman..those are nothing but demonic beings that dwell on lust.
Kali is Kind
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moki
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Posted : Sep 6, 2009 23:06
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hm very beautiful cosmic message.
...the spirit of kali...
i only have a question.
if she represents all these things above, which i truely believe in, then what is the symbolic meaning of the myth with her blood.
what is the power behind her own blood?
why is this ritual of full adore and attraction towards the blood of kali needed?
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very interesting.
and another question raised up in my mind.
you said
"she will destroy that thought in your mind that Men and women are the same...she is a reminder that only women are capable of mothering"
if she reminds us of the separation and polarities, then obviously male gods and female gods create a different part of the human energetic field, or soul or whatever you call it. the mother is supposed to give birth, so why is kali in blood during kaligat? what is the meaning of the symbol where does the myth come from? the morphogenetic symbol must have a meaning...
i am still trying to find kali....
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mk47
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 06:56
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On 2009-09-06 12:32, Xolvexs wrote:
The reason why she is shown as the dark element is because often many male gods tend to feed the mind of the human with thoughts like "your mother may have given you birth but i gave birth to your soul"...this is an absolutely wrong and it is for this very reason that Kali is feared..she will destroy that thought in your mind that Men and women are the same...she is a reminder that only women are capable of mothering and males are capable of fathering...and no matter what the age or period of earth it is Women and Men are separate and different and there is nothing like Ardh-Nareshwar or half man half woman..those are nothing but demonic beings that dwell on lust.
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On 2009-09-06 23:06, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
the morphogenetic symbol must have a meaning...
i am still trying to find kali....
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moki
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 10:47
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this is not the only reason why she is feared.she is feared because she is there to show the superiority of females. because they have powers that no man will ever have. that is why she is feared. and her menstrual blood must have a morphogenetic meaning.
i am reading right now a book about the female kundalini of the earth moving from india to south america.well not right now, but yesterday night. strange book. the kundalini of the earth was for tausand of years connected to india. this was the mother of knowledge and spirituality. from now on it is supposed to move. to america. the mayans always knew this.
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moki
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 10:51
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oh and one more last thing for today.
in case someone missunderstood me, i am not gonna throw the magical objects connected to kali away. never ever. the sadhu told me never to do this. and although i still dont intend to be in any way a "follower" or devotee of a naga baba sadhu, it is still the most precious present i ever got from anyone. and i will keep it till i die. not gonna throw in the ganga. never ever:). but thanks for the advice dear indian friends ( also per pm).
i think it is a very powerful thing to have . never ever gonna throw its power away. i just said that i witnessed extraordinary things since i have them. but they are mostly a protection, not injuring of someone. they are like karma - if someone did something very bad to me with violence - then he gets the same thing some months after that - independently from me on a different place . looks to me like kali would do this. the morphogenetic symbol is doing this. it is strange, really.
p.s. but i will try to document the kali knowledge in a documentary though. the next journey to india will be connected to searching, documenting and filming.
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toogoodforyou
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Posted : Sep 8, 2009 15:10
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On 2009-09-07 10:51, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
oh and one more last thing for today.
in case someone missunderstood me, i am not gonna throw the magical objects connected to kali away. never ever. the sadhu told me never to do this. and although i still dont intend to be in any way a "follower" or devotee of a naga baba sadhu, it is still the most precious present i ever got from anyone. and i will keep it till i die. not gonna throw in the ganga. never ever:). but thanks for the advice dear indian friends ( also per pm).
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Hahaha... you sure are gullible. Some Charsi 'Baba' gave you some objects with a fictional story and you taking it sooo seriously.
Reality: There is strong possiblity they are worthless objects which have nothing to do with Kali or a curse or anything.
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moki
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Posted : Sep 8, 2009 15:30
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hehe i like your way to answer, because at least you leave the small possibility that they are not worthless ( in comparison you could have expressed it in a different less intelligent and less open minded way with 100 percent possibility that they are false - this is the usual way to communicate in these trance forums).
i dont know if they are false and what qualifies them as worthless and what not. may be you can give some awakened touch to the story bro?
 well , what i know for sure, is that they were given by a naga baba of a higher order. he belongs to the babas who have a higher status in the order, and hundreds of other babas are their followers. you know. the word sadhu as a religious term might very well be "false" ( because not following the traditions, making love, making sex, etc), but still he is positioned in a higher order of the naga babas.
but i believe you might be right. about 50 percent at least. this is very unserious of a sadhu to do. because he left me with this and doesnt even ask me what i am doing and how am i doing. he is extremely male oriented to me. extremely hierarchical . to me for my personal view of life.
i dont know. i believe in these symbols in my own way. i am not religious but i believe very strongly in the power of symbols and morphogenetic images of the collective unconscious of the mankind. i believe they have the power to focus energies on one point of intention. depends on the intention.
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AumShantiAum
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 03:29
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On 2009-09-08 15:30, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
hehe i like your way to answer, because at least you leave the small possibility that they are not worthless ( in comparison you could have expressed it in a different less intelligent and less open minded way with 100 percent possibility that they are false - this is the usual way to communicate in these trance forums).
i dont know if they are false and what qualifies them as worthless and what not. may be you can give some awakened touch to the story bro?
well , what i know for sure, is that they were given by a naga baba of a higher order. he belongs to the babas who have a higher status in the order, and hundreds of other babas are their followers. you know. the word sadhu as a religious term might very well be "false" ( because not following the traditions, making love, making sex, etc), but still he is positioned in a higher order of the naga babas.
but i believe you might be right. about 50 percent at least. this is very unserious of a sadhu to do. because he left me with this and doesnt even ask me what i am doing and how am i doing. he is extremely male oriented to me. extremely hierarchical . to me for my personal view of life.
i dont know. i believe in these symbols in my own way. i am not religious but i believe very strongly in the power of symbols and morphogenetic images of the collective unconscious of the mankind. i believe they have the power to focus energies on one point of intention. depends on the intention.
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maybe the problem is that you believe to strongly that the objects have some kind of power. these are prob just random occurrences happening and youre making this whole connection to the objects in your mind.
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moki
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 04:20
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may be you are right.
(but i dont believe that i am making them all in my mind, because the sadhu was also very serious as he told me that they are very powerful objects and very rare and come from xyz very special place and it is extremely bad to lose them.
btw i have two of them. one of them was given to my ex boyfriend, but he made too much jokes during the "ritual" so at the end of the day both his rudraksha and this object were given to me instead.
i dont know, may be it is an illusion. i dont know what to do but i know that it is strange that the sadhu doesnt connect to me. he said he will. if he only knew what i was going through, all these months ....
isnt he interested what is happening to his objects? strange.
well. i will go to india this winter. for sure. i already plan it. time to see mother india again.
today i even heard it from an orakel that told me i would. it is time. these questions are not gonna be answered in any book, any forum and any new age spiritual mambo jumbo of europe.
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