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Juan ernesto castillo SUNDROP RECORDS is a liar
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Spasm
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Posted : Jun 17, 2008 14:34
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On 2008-06-17 13:04, CabaL wrote:
so if they say send me your tracks and i send you the contract i usually TRUST....
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this is the dumbest thing i've ever read here in my life.
Sorry, but it is, dont mean no disrespect, but listen to yourself.
If you trust (lol) the record label, why on earth would you need a signed contract by both parts for???????
Could you please explain me that?
Jeeebus christ
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This is a joke right?
Who ever told you that internet was a matter of trust, BSted you seriously.
Internet is the exact opposite of trust.
You cannot trust anything trough the internet.
Selling music is not a matter or trust, it's BUSINESS, and you clearly dont understand the rules of the game, otherwise you would DEMAND a contract BEFORE any tracks being send to anyone, how many times will this kind of stuff need to happen, nowadays i find this stuff amusing and makes me laugh, if you feel that your work is good, you take care of it, and you defend yourself.
That's why you must have a contract so you can know basic contract information, like how many copies are going to be sold, what's your percentage, how many other artists, what's you relation with the label, bla bla bla,
even though most of those contracts dont mean crap legally, this is basics on selling music, if you want to be respected as an artist.
Sorry if this was to harsh, but really sometimes i think some of you people dont have a clue on what your doing. |
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polly
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Posted : Jun 17, 2008 15:33
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True Anomaly
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Posted : Jun 19, 2008 07:24
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On 2008-06-16 06:54, goa-ganges wrote:
err...have you guys thought of the possibility that this CD didnīt sell not even 10 copies? Be reasonable: a bunch of unknown artists, a bunch of not outstanding tracks - all of this in the middle of a haystack full of CDs featuring another bunch of unknown artists and their not outstanding tracks...do you really think it sold enough to even pay this Juanīs bad adventure into the psy scene? It makes me laugh.
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so you are telling me that cause we are not major artists or famous artists we deserve to be treated as shit an never get a single explanation about it, about how why and when its written that only famous artists deserve to got respect?......a bunch of not outstanding tracks? that is a review? or you are just dumb and short of words?, now i ask you.....since you have a opinion on this release....did yopu buy your copye of the v.a. at least? or if you got one from sundrop man maybe thats the reason you are talking about things you dont know......first of all if the va is not selling that is not the artist fault or tim shuldtz fault or the design guy fault dont you think? (do you really think it sold enough to even pay this Juanīs bad adventure into the psy scene?) ..... man i dont know even give a fuck because im not juan's father or mother to be aware of his adventures on life or how this may come for him.....what i can tell you is that he is a thieft and a liar because if you get benefit from fucking over ppl theres is no honor at all, so dont give the bullshit of apologizing the guy just because artists involved where not famous or even good, if that is the point where is juan sundrop records manager to speak for himself?? could be maybe that record did sold and he just fuck everyone dont you think?? anyways if he got all the copies at his house why not to send them for the artist?? in my case not a single copie.... how you apologize juan for that??
it makes me laugh how ignorant you are about it......
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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Jun 20, 2008 20:54
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I will give my 2 cents about this same topic:
I think artists should stop asking and waiting for this things(advanced, copies, etc)... Instead of this, look for good labels wich can provide at least nice ads and promotion(also most of big labels, not to say ALL, do not pay for music anymore).
And one more thing for label side: itīs almost IMPOSSIBLE to have any profit selling cd that all track were paied. Here I say to small label: stop promising the advanced!!!
Iīm one of those who think that a small label need to work only with small artists, but be friends... And release their music without advanced(if everybody is ok to everybody, I guess no problem about no advanced). This way the label can release much more cdīs(wich for an artists is much more important than few bucks, or some cd copies).
If u donīt trust 100% a label, just donīt send them the track... Itīs funny to see artists complaining so much, when they actually sent the music for free(trusting in words at msn).
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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
Moonsun Records
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Posted : Jun 20, 2008 21:42
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im sorry to hear another story liek this again.
but sms have u thought that there are 20 milion artists
mabe more that need to release there music
i get more than 30 people a day sending there sounds
that dont care and say release and help,
if u want to get money big money u need to build a name,and u said wait jion big labels
1st of all big labels have there artists allready and wont risk to lose that cose they have made the family package
that provides them with there expences, so all the new artists who will help them. there 100 trance labels new 1s 20 milions artists and max 500 sells on those names
and if . so tell me what is the piont to provide promo to artists what does the label win cose if u think they will ever make money u must be kidiing in 2008 ,
with mp3 download, i i guess people and artists must understand most label today new 1s do cds cose they enjoy it and like to help people,if it was money issue i think they would prefer make music and sell them selves.so im sorry i a label lost and doesnt have to pay it not right better not risk that, but if new artists today think they make from cds ,try another bussiness.
getting gigs is another story.
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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Jun 20, 2008 23:44
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Little bit offtopic... Sorry guys!
Hey MOONSUN. I didnīt understand 100% of what u said, but I guess weīre talking almost the same thing.. 
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On 2008-06-20 21:42, MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr wrote:
so tell me what is the piont to provide promo to artists what does the label win cose if u think they will ever make money u must be kidiing in 2008 ,
with mp3 download,
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I didnīt understand so well your "promo" interpretation. But if u say promotion, I guess any label should promote their artists, as they are the products.
For sure a label that works only releasing cdīs will not make money. Ever. So labels should think others ways for doing this.
And I totally understand new labels situation. I also understand when artist come to public asking for answers from label managers/owners. I just wonder why new labels continue promising an advanced for artists, if they donīt have the money yet. Waiting for any profit is not reasonable at all imo.
About "artist to label" relation. Iīve got your point! Worth to mention full_onīs thread about it( http://forum.isratrance.com/to-all-artists-concerned-about-the-promotion-of-their-releases/ ). Great topic!
Bottom line: itīs sad to hear it again(labels that donīt pay the promised).
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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
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Posted : Jun 21, 2008 07:24
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sms there just to many artists all the time and if labels
dont help them they will never be known
the piont is what is more important to artists
releases or gigs ,cose from what i see in topics releasing 1 track and losing 200-300 euros is there major problem. u get 300-400 a track some times when u have good music ,and u get 1000 live act or 600-700 dj set
when u make a nice name and more . so i dont get
why they destroy there names with posts they stold my track and bla bla.ok steling is bad id never do it ,but at im honest with all my artists ,and i say what i can give
or not strait as there is no other solution.
any was my advise is for new artists to think 2 times
before they release if there music is just ok.and make it beter with hope to reach more in music.and make a name with a big label.
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onionbrain
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Posted : Jun 23, 2008 19:56
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if juan had said something like:
'ok, ok, we are a new label and we dont have money to pay for this tracks. the payment is the promotion you win with the compilation release and a copy of the cd'
it will be ok.
but then he came and asked for the song's price, negotiated it, released it and disappeared from the map.
amateur....
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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
Moonsun Records
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Posted : Jun 24, 2008 11:48
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Who ever told you that internet was a matter of trust
ure right mate it un safe cose there a lot of hacker labels out there 
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Spasm
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Posted : Jun 24, 2008 13:39
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On 2008-06-24 11:48, MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr wrote:
Spasm qoute
Who ever told you that internet was a matter of trust
ure right mate it un safe cose there a lot of hacker labels out there
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if i had an Euro for every time someone told me i've won the british lottery, i would quit my day job |
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