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Israel = Trance

Satlanny


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Posted : Dec 30, 2003 09:14
people...it is a fact that israeli's know how to "lehitkarhen" better than anyone. and small underground party's in israel are truly amazing and great.
the problem in israel is that if a party goes abit out of the underground it get's flooded with "shimonim" and the like. and rave's like the one's in europe aren't even possible because of our stupid, closed minded police and government. if you'd read comments from people outside of israel and in it on Katam's post about a big party he's planning you'd see that the only reason people are scared to come to rave's in israel is that the police will close them.
about place's to have huge thousand people rave's, just look around the negev and you can find a ton of amazing locations for killer party's.
pSyCH0acT|VE
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Dec 30, 2003 15:41
I'm gonna have to agree with you about the attitude of the government & police - That really is F#*&ed up...
But as far as people .. umm "Shimonim" as u call them ..
Dude, so what man ?

Alright .. sometimes they could be a pain , but come on man .. You do your thing.. let them do their thing ..
And (hopefully) everyone enjoys the party ..

Happy New Year,
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Fluidsound


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Posted : Dec 30, 2003 21:08
there are shimonim all over the world if i understand what you mean...hehe any ways
the key is dance like no body is watching...
Boom shankar love and light
and have a very happy newyear israel
pSyCH0acT|VE
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Dec 31, 2003 00:45
Couldn't have said it better Mr. Fluidsound!

BooM! Indeed!

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Satlanny


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Posted : Dec 31, 2003 01:03
first of all...
for all that don't know, "shimonim" or "shimon's" if you want proper english are the not so beutiful people that aren't really into the scene. they are the outsider's you can say at a trance party.
i too agree with what you say about dancing to the music as if your the only one around and that no-one should care what the man next to him is talking about...
problem is, their are plenty of people who won't come to a party unless it has only "beutiful people". so what happens is that if a party get's alittle big then the people you actually intended the party for, don't show up. it's a shame, i agree that espesially trance party's are all about the expression of the self without the need to worry about others.
nobody_3
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Posted : Dec 31, 2003 01:27
Too much of an elitist attitude

How can any of us decide who's into the scene or not? Are we more entitled to be into the scene and the music than other people? I constantly see people in this forum talking about who's "allowed" to be part of the scene and who aren't......Especially about "shimon's.

Don't people in this scene get it? It's a free world and the whole idea in the first place was that everyone is welcome no matter skincolor, religion or sexual orientation. Some of you claim that Israel is "The best" trance country... Yes Israel is very beautiful and the parties can be very great and there's some nice and great people around but unfortinently there's also a bit too much elitist attitude and pointing fingers at people that look different. A bit more openmindness would be prefered

Of course violence and theft ect. should not be tollerated at all but I am not sure it's the socalled "Shimon's" that always start the trouble.

Back to topic... I dont see Israel as the no.1 trance country... I see every country as something special with it's own unique scene....
Fluidsound


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Posted : Dec 31, 2003 02:15
well i agree elysium project...well the trance culture ...(culture) is universal (for every spirirt)
who are we to decide who is good and bad
may be the shimonim think that the rest of the world are the shimonim..even when u go to dine with parents you have the same kind around...hi time we all get used to the two side s of the coin and learn to enjoy it..like the way we all dig to psychotic micro ...and also to astrix.
boomshankar to all of you again...



my mama always told me to quit speaking in riddles..
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Satlanny


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Posted : Dec 31, 2003 08:50
elysium...
that is what i am saying. that in israel trance has become a trend like other genre's instead of staying the free spirited, opinionless wonder that it should be. i only recently (past year) have been going to alot of party's and really got into the scene. everytime i go to a party i'm told about "shimonim", they never bothered me really. they, if you look at are the only people who actually do not care about what others think. it's all the so called "beutiful people" that are far more prejedis (however you write it).
this whole thing got started when talking about raves in israel. a friend of mine and i are looking into doing such a rave. we are only gathering info for now (katam's post on how much would you pay). the two major problem's we are forseeing are:
1. government aproval. license's and cop's crashing.
2. it seems that in israel the scene has split. the "beutiful people" won't come if the so called "shimonim" will and the other way around. it's pretty pathetic.
Kaz
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Dec 31, 2003 10:55
Israel has a well developed psytrance scene - it is even the country with the MOST developed psytrance scene. By far. Psytrance here is not a small genre that people make fun of it's crowd (like in the UK, where the psytrance scene is often referred to as 'a bunch of apes' or something like that), a high percentage of people at the ages of 22+ know at least what psytrance actually is (at least 50% - which is much higher than the percent in any other country), for a country of 6 million, we have over 10 raves of over 1000 people a year (this is doubtlessly an amazing statistic), and you failed to mention the "Tnu Chance Latrance" gathering in kikar malchei israel (now kikar rabin) in tel-aviv, which had approximately 0.5% of Israel's population in one place in order to support the psytrance world (and a lot more people in one place than festivals such as Samothraki or Boom).

But, like every big scene - it suffers from many problems, like part of it becoming extremely elitist, the inability to hide from public scrutiny - the Karahana movie, about the ironically named 'Drugless Festival' which was sponsered by Al Sam while being the most amazing psytrance event in Israeli history, and one of the best psytrance festivals of all times worldwide - showed how the police were totally ignorant as to the drug usage in psytrance party, when people smoked ganja, did acid (with pride if I may add), whatever, practically under the cops' noses made the police from a small problem into a force seeking vengance against the people so avidly making it into a laughing stock on film.

Government approval will not come. As always, as everywhere, the forces of change and youthful ideology are something which the established society fears and fights against. Even a movement as massive as the hippies in the 60s in the US, let alone smaller groups (in the US the rave scene is a popular target of new laws, in the UK a great many of these laws have already passed a while ago), and you forget that the Beatles were a band that was not allowed to perform in Israel because they would 'corrupt the Israeli youth'.

Also, another major problem of the Israeli psytrance scene is that it 'kills' other electronic scenes. There is no real IDM, Jungle or even Techno scenes (outside small ones in Tel-Aviv), while in the rest of the world these scenes are generally much bigger than the psytrance scene.

Well, that's my few cents.           http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
nobody_3
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Posted : Jan 1, 2004 12:57
I will quote myself from another thread in the "Greece" section.

It's well known that our scene have a problem when it come to toning down the promotion of drug use which in my opinion still is the essence of the Authorities "fox hunt".
We have for too many years been praising drug use and abuse in our scene and made it a central "god" among us. If we want to get more respect and even approval from the Authorities around the globe we need to grow up and realize that nothing will ever change if we dont change. Of course drugs and experimentation is a big part of life for teenagers but responsible Organisers would do everything to minimize drug use and abuse at their events. Unfortinently many organisers and for that matter artists and record labels (just look at TIP World with their drug releases, Hallucinogen ect ect.) praise drugs and push innocent youngsters into drug use and abuse when they keep promoting it as an essential part of our culture. That's why the Authorities and the Police keep hitting us in our heads - and they will continue until they day we realize that music can be enjoyed without illegal chemical substances.

Let's face it. When so many of the Organisers, label people and artists are living billboards for drug abuse, I dont know the figure but i would not be surprised if 60-70% actually have a drug problem, then how on earth is our scene ever going to be respected and approved? Before those people start to shape up their acts and stop promoting our scene as a "drug heaven" we will never be left alone by the Police and Authorities.

I am sure these facts also goes for Israel! The Police do their job busting drugdealers and druggies and let's face it! Our scene is a very good place to start if you want to arrest people dealing with drugs.

My few cents
Satlanny


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Posts :  108
Posted : Jan 2, 2004 04:08
elysium...

i agree with every word you said.
i don't know how the rest of the world is. i've been in the scene in israel and just now moved to florida. what i can tell you that bothers me is that cops in only go for the trance seen. and barely hit the clubs and the club scene. where in fact that seen is much bigger on the truley dangerous drugs like herouin and cocain. exstacy is also very big in that seen, but you'll never see cops crashing those parties. the only explanation i can give for it is that the trance seen is organized buy younger people with less political strangth. as for the club seen, the oranizers there are usually rich well respected people in the celebrity world and if the cops were to do something with them then they'de have a shit load of explaining and opolagizing to do. so they rather hit us.
that is why our seen should infact try to keep the open support for drugs to a minimum. obviously we're gonna have drugs, but the promoters should play the game and go against it on the surface at least.
Kaz
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jan 2, 2004 20:10
Trying to live outside the classic social structure is not accepted in any society - and that's what the psytrance scene blatantly does. And yes, part of that is that a big percentage smoke pot. Does smoking pot make you a junky? You know what - let's suppose 60-70% use extasy and/or LSD. There are certain clubs in which over 80% of the people take extasy (and a large percent of those add stuff like cocaine to that) and those are not closed down by the police, the police never search everyone at the entrance to the place (well, this did happen in Tresor in Germany a while ago, but only after quite a few years of hedonistic fun there), and do not confiscate the DJ equipment. If the problem was 100% drugs, there are places in which it is much easier to catch dealers than in psytrance parties, and isn't it a bit more important to catch someone selling heroin than someone selling MDMA? The Karahana movie changed the police's attitude towards psytrance parties, not an act of catching more dealers, but trying not to look like idiots.

The politics of this attitude is very easy. What is said today about psytrance was said at it's time about the Greatfull Dead, the Beatles, Pink Floyd and a lot more at their concerts. Only now in the US it is fassionable to work against civil liberties in favor of 'personal safety' (legislation in the US has become less and less according to the spirit of the constitution for the last 20 years or so), and that seeps to other countries, especially the ones influenced most by the US - Mexico, Israel, and the UK, where the police defines the rave scene as it's enemy.

This is not a one sided issue, but rather has a lot of politics and PR in the mix here. It's easy saying only one side is to blame, but as in any complex situation, that is usually not the case.          http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
hoffman angels


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Posted : Jan 14, 2004 22:26
you all bunch of kids,hahahah.
SenstatuX
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  320
Posted : Jan 19, 2004 03:51
isra trance rox!!

just had to add that

CONTINUE THE KILLER WORK
imo isra shows the way in this music
but all countrys have a special style and its good!

plur all           i live for this moment here...
mfa


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Posted : Jan 21, 2004 14:41
-=noise freak=- & PeYoTe KiNG

right on guys! keep it shushu LOL
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