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Israel promotor fuck up nightmare.

faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht

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Posted : May 22, 2011 18:49
his post is borderline racist. and yes, israel did make the suomi artists, i am sorrgy but you don't shit where you eat. i stand by my words.

yuli its nice to be all politicaly correct, but did you actualy read his entire post?          
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Beat Agency
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Posted : May 22, 2011 19:28
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On 2011-05-22 18:49, faxinadu wrote:
his post is borderline racist. and yes, israel did make the suomi artists, i am sorrgy but you don't shit where you eat. i stand by my words.

yuli its nice to be all politicaly correct, but did you actualy read his entire post?



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Fu Hsi
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Posted : May 23, 2011 15:15
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On 2011-05-22 18:49, faxinadu wrote:
his post is borderline racist. and yes, israel did make the suomi artists, i am sorrgy but you don't shit where you eat. i stand by my words.

yuli its nice to be all politicaly correct, but did you actualy read his entire post?



I did, and apart of the private part that has to do with the organizers that I suppose is correct as I heard those stories before, the general part on the humiliation non Jews get to discover while entering and exiting Israeli borders is a well known issue. As one that enters and exits Israel pretty frequently, I have no clue why is it so, especially for ppl that come with a working permit to Israel. Nothing in that letter was racist or anti Israeli, as far as I am concerned. Many of my non Israeli colleagues were completely mistreated their equipment was confiscated many times not to be returned and some times returned completely broken and malfunctioning. This phenomena is second to none in the western world and I can bet my old hat also will take the first place in general over planet earth.

So Faxi, before you cry out racist - maybe check your own ppl ( our ppl ) as we are atm by far the most racist place on the planet I guess u won't agree
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Fu Hsi
Perfect Stranger

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Posted : May 23, 2011 15:25
One more thing to Faxi:

In fact I am so surprised we don't hear more of that shit that happens to foreigners here. I guess it is so because many of them are politically correct and don't want to endanger their career in Israel, but the truth is, our hospitality sucks, and our courtesy in greeting foreign ppl to our country is below any known measurments - of course all under the big black flag ( or white and blue flag ) of NATION SECURITY. Sounds familiar??
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht

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Posted : May 24, 2011 09:51
couldn't agree less.

our hospitality is great and our courtesy in greeting people is warm as well.

i don't think juan (the muses rapt) or nervasystem had any bad time here during the vists in which i picked them up from the airport.

dude - he wrote a letter about a bad experiance with an org, yet had to add all this political bullshit into it, israel-arab stuff and going into our national mentality and psyche? wtf... this is what made me angry.

and again, i stand by my words. this is typical elitist european thinking. maybe the finnish artists should focus more about bieng more proffesional and less drunk during thier sets here (how do you like this generaliztion?)


          
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Fu Hsi
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Posted : May 24, 2011 20:07
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On 2011-05-24 09:51, faxinadu wrote:
couldn't agree less.

our hospitality is great and our courtesy in greeting people is warm as well.




Tell that to more than a few artists I personally know that were ditched on sofas of a friend's house, or when leaving Israel got all their equipment disassembled, or broken or both. I don't even understand why am I writing it here second time, one was enough - I am not telling stories but speak from experience. But Faxi you don't let the facts to baffle you don't you...

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i don't think juan (the muses rapt) or nervasystem had any bad time here during the vists in which i picked them up from the airport.




No one said anything about your hosting, what is wrong with you

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dude - he wrote a letter about a bad experiance with an org, yet had to add all this political bullshit into it, israel-arab stuff and going into our national mentality and psyche? wtf... this is what made me angry.




So if you suddenly feel angry relax and drink cold water. All he said is he doesn't understand why because of the conflict we have with our neighbours, everyone that is not Jewish, or has rasta hair and doesn't look "proper" has to get the "treatment" - now you can ask 10th time what "treatment" and play it as you don't know, but we both know what a foreigner can go through @ our international airport security - but please, don't let the facts make you baffled once again.

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and again, i stand by my words. this is typical elitist european thinking. maybe the finnish artists should focus more about bieng more proffesional and less drunk during thier sets here (how do you like this generaliztion?)




I think he would agree to your generalization. Finns drink way too much. And we are pretty much racist. OK dun??



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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht

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Posted : May 25, 2011 19:12
k whatever man. yah i need a chill pill and my head examined, you rock, israel sucks, we suck, i suck.

again, i have no idea why does the conflict in israel or any precieved "danger" here or any of that stuff has anything to do with the organiser's fuckup.

i played once in slovenia, and they messed me up real good. i even wrote some blog post about it. so should i have mentioned shit like how the slavs are militaristic and have problems with the serbs and have a national paranoia? should i have brought pup statistics about how dangerous it is there? about thier vibes and mentality as a nation? again - wtf!

you keep almost attacking me on a personal level. you know what? i call it like i see it. nothing is wrong with me. maybe something is wrong with you? he made a nasty, elitist, rude and almost racist blog post, and you feel the need to defend him, why?

give me another place on this planet that gives the likes of haltya, salakavala, texas faggot, hupis and all those folks the respect, attemtion and gigs they get here (both in amount of shows and in crowd sizes). again - don't shit where you eat.

have fun, this is pointless.          
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Fu Hsi
Perfect Stranger

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Posted : May 25, 2011 20:48
Faxi I don't really know where to start...

I promise you every artist on the planet has whole world to perform, and Israel is just another country that gives gigs to many artists, but also boasts not so comfortable hosting possibilities and many time some hardcore situations. As a traveling artist I can see the difference of hosting I get in Europe, Brazil or Australia to the hosting foreigners USED TO get in Israel up to couple of years ago. USED TO because nowadays indeed its better here but still not in the level of the places I have mentioned.

However, the security system @ Ben Gurion Airport and checking points around the globe HAD NOT CHANGED A LITTLE BIT. I will give you an example: A friend of mine, Artist we all know had to board EL AL plane from Sao Paulo to Israel few months ago. At the security check his soundcard, controller and headphones were confiscated from his carry on luggage to be returned at the end of the flight ( Why? God knows, never happened to me with Lufthansa god bless the Germans ). Guess what? When he arrived destination, all his equipment was found completely broken, stuards and company / security didnt take ANY responsibility for the damage, and he had to SUE EL AL and now it looks like he might get paid.

Why all that long story? Because what happens in Israeli Airport and mistreatment of anyone who is not a Jew, is a disgrace to Israel. The story I told didn't happen in Israel, but there are so many stories that did.

In fact, Haltya's story with the organizers bothers me much less than this bullshit we have in the Airport, because I know that in general our scene gets better, and know to treat artists with more respect and dignity. But I can't say that about our Airport security and all those Apes that think because they got the power they can abuse it like there's no tomorrow.

So YES Faxi, I do understand Tommy that being sick, fucked up from the party, had to "perform" in our International Airport, YES it sounds really fucked up to me. And the fact it doesnt sound bad at all to you, makes me want to ask WHY IS IT SO? Don't you care about your own country and it's face in the eyes of those that come here for a visit? Why should we be seen as vultures or third world agressors by people that visit our country? And as long that most ppl are like you, excusing this behaviour with heaps of excuses, and try to throw some mud back at those that suffer from it, it will rise it's ugly head more and more.

Had it with this topic, if you can't understand what I wrote here, then it's really pointless.
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht

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Posted : May 25, 2011 21:52
i can, but it is beside the point completly.

lets end this, we both agree it is pointless since i can't get across to you and you can't get across to me.

have a good one           
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shahar
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Posted : May 25, 2011 22:01
Tommi, I was very sorry to read about your horror experience in Israel. It seems this country is indeed full of quite a lot of assholes and a lot of people with very serious problems. A shame you ran into so many of them in such a short period here.
I imagine you won't be wanting to come here again, but if you do end up here and are in any sort of trouble, feel free to contact me and I'll do my best to help. There are also some very nice people here.

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shahar
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Posted : May 25, 2011 22:09
Faxi,
Your posts just prove that Tommi's experience was probably very very real...
In my 20 years of involvement with the trance world here, the number of bad stuff I heard that happened to visiting artists here is unbelievable. And while the experiences with organizers can sometimes be attributed to the fact that some of them are either very dodgy or just live in a movie, the ones from the airport have nothing to do with that.
Israeli airport security is aggressive, brutal, inconsiderate and outright dumb.
I ask all visiting artists here to state in their contract that they must be escorted back to the airport by the organizer all the way through security. Even better is to have a Israeli friend take you to the airport and get you past them.



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Inner State
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Posted : Jul 14, 2011 17:11
hello to everyone....just making this post to verify what tommi went through at the airport...came back from israel 2 weeks ago...i had similar treatment at ben gurion....my laptop has been confiscated with no real excuse other than "security reasons"....my laptop charger was send with a different box in cuprus...my sound card / cables / where also confiscated ....i had to go through a full boddy strip search down to my underware , and a 5 security people interogation for 1.30 hours...i guess they had to let me go cause the plane was delayed cause of me...i had to attent another gig on the same day in athens and was forced to do it with borrowed equipment.....my gear was returned 4 days later in an open carton box....missplaced laptop plastic covers inticated that the laptop has been opened....have many friends in israel and its always fun to spend time there but the security in the airport is far the worst i ever had to go through....
V3NOM
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Posted : Jul 21, 2011 05:22
When I visited Israel a few years ago with my wife who has a mild form of cerebral palsy & is Chinese the airport security called her "a spastic Asian bitch" and asked me why I'd want to fuck her?

They then proceeded to say they need to check her and then placed a cup hand over her breat and burst out laughing when she started to cry.

We have been to US, India, Nepal, Malaysia & even some of the poorer countries in eastern Europe and none have been close to this.

I'll never ever go to that fucking country again. When we got through security straight away I cancelled the trip & we flew out that night.

I have a lot of respect for Jewish/Israeli people, and many are my friends here in Australia, but the treatment of my then girlfriend now wife was the worst in the world.

Fucking pricks.           I hate you, you hate me, we are all so hap hap happy!
Pavel
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Posted : Jul 22, 2011 01:42
Wow, that's just terrible.. sorry to hear that           Everyone in the world is doing something without me
V3NOM
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Posted : Jul 22, 2011 02:35
Thanks Pavel

but like I said I am pretty sure like every country there are racist & rude people, sometimes with power and my wife and I do not hold this against your country.

She was just so upset by it she couldn't enjoy the rest of her time.

I am sure in many other countries we are judges, I have had some here in Australia be racist towards us for our relationship but this was just a bit beyond words.

Maybe one day we will return to visit but it's stilla bit fresh for now.

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