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Is this forum dead?
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Ian-Underground
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Posted : Nov 3, 2016 19:24:36
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A couple of years ago this forum was full of people to chat too and talk about music production, it seems to have gone very quiet now. |
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Mathura
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Posted : Nov 3, 2016 23:19
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DEAD ?
Simple question, complex answer ...
I will start to uncover a part of the answer, where most really do not like to talk about...
And rememberance : Its no critism - Only analyse
Whether we like it or not, the times have changed.
The mainstream of the pop-mainstream in the psy area can move a lot (also money)
and the icons are models that have greatly influenced the sound of the genres.
Sound quality and psy-pop culture are no longer to be denied.
As from punk to nirvana, with the big studios and good sound quality, MTV & Co have smelled teen spirit of the prize money,
to make the image of the sounds sellable.
On the one hand good, as many people can "participate" in the pleasure,
On the other hand "the core of the thing" sometimes gets a little "lost" in the "hype".
What does it mean for Psytrance and "the producers" ?
Most "Most-Wanted-Psy-Producer" get their main-music-producer-life-money from the "STAGE" as DJs...
All those, which do not subordinate themselves in the arrangement of the sound picture,
will have little chance of achieving something on the market or/and on stage as a producer DJ.
Unless the singularity puts the "mountains" ... ...
On the journey to the "best quality" of the sound image like ACTOR XXX sometimes a part of the soul is lost,
if it does not come from itself or in the "direct" exchange from "stage to stage" or with other "active" happens.
To recognize that the "market-bearers" always take a step, if one makes oneself one, leaves many "give up",
since they subjectively "only run after the happening".
The big names can not be seen here, why?
Well, they have their thing running and "doing better", they "life the thing" and those who do not get their thing to run,
hope for help, which can get them here only conditionally to reach "their targets", it is simple as it is.
In the result:
The air is a bit out of the way for some...
But maybe its O.K - Reordering ?
Some "working hard" in their arrangements and have no time to be online ?
No more questions ? They know everything, whats to get here ?
Jobs in real live take a lot of live-time, no time to be here ?
They are non-profit producer and they need sometimes "a bit silence" from "how to do to be" ?
What do you think ?
Or...
Three days dead, then it will wake up again  - Eastern or something else... Excuse me, I must be confused
And, maybe, the monster out there paralyzes "a bit" anyway in the last time some people ?
So thanks to all those who have invested their lives here to help, so that the "thing runs" and the people squat together with joyful faces ... |
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Ian-Underground
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Posted : Nov 4, 2016 09:10
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Thanks for the reply. Iv been here a few years also under a different name but can't remember the password to that account and it used to be such a great forum. Compared to how it used to be it is dead. |
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Ian-Underground
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Posted : Nov 4, 2016 09:17
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Anyway, if everyone is only on it to become a big name festival DJ and make money, then that's sad. I bought my first pair of Technics sl1200s in 1999 and I loved music and mixing records and played and many party's and a few clubs over the years, never once asked for money, it's been a hobby because I love music. Music production doesn't have to be a competition, you can just make your music and enjoy doing it and not give up because there are big names out there already in big studios. |
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Mathura
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Posted : Nov 4, 2016 14:48
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For sure...
And yes, the "thing" lives through people, as you described it.
The "thing" grows and all involved "carry it further", bring it into the world.
No matter what status.
What I have described, should only "reflect" a certain atmossphere.
This provides opportunities for producers to adjust their intentions ...
To what extent each serious hobby producer should be separated from a certain point is an individual and personal question.
Which intentions also arise ...
If you have experienced "GOA" and "PSYTRANCE" for more than 20 years, something has been apparent for several years:
The sound quality and arrangements are now "exhilarating for many ears" and thus new possibilities arise which are to be used ...
The meta-level is probably not so easy to speak open here ...
In my opinion, "the thing" is only just now and the strong change forces should either be understood to be able to work with it.
And it's nice that it works ...
Sure, it can be easy because you do not think about where the "journey" goes, but if you put 5,000 to 10,000 people on the square, you should know what you are doing so that it is appropriately arranged.
And it needs fresh music, so people (who pay the entrance and feed the thing) will not get bored ...
Conveyor belt, production line, assembly line...
The thing is alive... And the producer is of course an important thing, which become sometimes icons of the tribe...
And when it grows over a certain point, this also changes something in the intrinsic motivations and the "hype" makes a inner movement that can also flatten out at some when it is recognized for some producer how long the path may be to mingle ...
And does not every producer want that his thing comes on the big speakers, only once a live ?
Even if he just wants to "make music" ?
No more and no less...
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knocz
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Posted : Nov 4, 2016 17:32
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On 2016-11-03 19:24:36, nappler wrote:
A couple of years ago this forum was full of people to chat too and talk about music production, it seems to have gone very quiet now.
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We're all here, maybe some of us passed into different realities or mutated into something beautiful and amazing, but we're still all here In one form or another..
Or maybe we've just gone crazy and broke our keyboards - preventing anyone from writing new replies 
Don't forget, psytrance is still "underground" (so not mainstream), and all info is still here
Maybe the people have run out of questions;
Maybe they've run out of answers;
Maybe this thread should be in offtopic;
Maybe I should post a gif of a Goat;
I choose the last option: https://giphy.com/gifs/goat-108Y1SMrGePEDC
 Super Banana Sauce http://www.soundcloud.com/knocz |
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Mathura
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Posted : Nov 4, 2016 21:17
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Yes... Psytrance is still underground...
And in the "underground" there is a (pop) mainstream, as i wrote : Sound quality and psy-pop (underground) culture are no longer to be denied.
The sound quality and arrangements are now "exhilarating for many ears" and thus new possibilities arise which are to be used...
What i sayed is only that there could be a reordering for some or a lot of home / small producer
in cause of the "new possibilities" to set the focus clear and how they would like to position in the "thing"...
The silence of reordering to use the tools fulfilling ?
Anyway ...
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Mathura
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Posted : Nov 5, 2016 12:26
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Just for fun, last post :
This forum is not dead, the goats are sometimes to busy, maybe in cause of the production line in the assembly line (of life)...
Plain ? |
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cr1st0
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Posted : Nov 6, 2016 01:18
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Yes it is kinda dead  imo too.
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Ian-Underground
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Posted : Nov 6, 2016 13:31
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Is there another forum / chatroom for psytrance. The workshop pages used to be great to get advice, but that's dead too now. |
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vipal
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Posted : Nov 10, 2016 01:13
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Nov 13, 2016 13:58
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For the times, they are a changin'...
Foruns like this one have come of age. We've moved from being a community where one's identity was rooted in sharing knowledge to something much more centered on the individual and the mythology of ordinary life made presumptuously great.
We've moved from foruns like this one, where all you need is some nickname as a reference to yourself and where you're credited not by your life's accomplishments or the tale behind you, as a person, but for what you were willing to share and its inherent value. Identity, it seems, was more about what cards you could put on the table, our ability to go past our individuality and enjoy a sense of learning from multiple sources, people from many places and different cultural backgrounds, mutual evolution and so forth.
If you ask me, I think we have something to lose when we move from faceless communities such as this one (or others like it) to the new kind of online communities such as facebook, tweeter and the likes.
Why? Well, for one, because in places like this everyone would join based on their interest in music and this particular genre alone. Because your authority wasn't necessarily rooted to who you are in real life, but what cards you'd put on the table and their inherent value to a community of people chasing after the same goals.
But there's more. In facebook you tend to live within a bubble where you only get to see what you're already into. Algorithms may be good for some stuff, but we're fools to undermine their potential for detaching us from reality at large and potentially even encourage many of us to delve deeper into the specific kind of alienation that suits us best.
The other problem, of course, is that more information also means more of a distraction - and we all know how much time consuming that can be. Its appeal, however, doesn't suffer from us knowing about it. It's connected to the very roots of human nature, our instinctive curiosity and our willingness to connect with others and participate in the big debate that we call culture. So what's the problem? The problem is that one tool doesn't suit all needs. The problem is concentration and the drying out of all the things, some of them quite good, that we let go of due to our newest addictions. The problem is that we don't care enough for the good things we had to fight for them and protect them and we only start to worry when we start seeing signs of their degradation.
What happened? How come there's increasingly less traffic in places like this? The internet has changed. And the people have changed along with it. This is the time of youtube, of paid for presets, sample packs, tutorials with "we'll guide you through all the steps in producing a pro sounding track" promises, of the means to promote, spam everyone with paid for advertising, private publication and sales.
It's not that places like this are dying on their own. Whenever there's a new IKEA store, you can rest assure that a lot of local businesses are going to dry. In such cases, we don't usually ask what did the small stores did wrong to meet such a destiny, or do we? The problem is with concentration. Concentration means less freedom. Means a less diverse market. Means less privacy.
Means that the internet is but the garden of a handful of big tech corporations. |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Nov 29, 2016 03:47
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it is quite vivid when regarding the fact that most of the times there still are more than 100 guests in the background
but it's a pity it's just the background. It looks like we are the last remained hardcore Isratrancers 
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Ian-Underground
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Posted : Nov 29, 2016 22:27
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Yeah it is sad. I left about two years ago, but I was under a different account ( can't remember password) and it was buzzing back then. The workshop was really good with loads of new tracks and talent and discussions going on. |
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DeepSky
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Posted : Dec 4, 2016 11:37
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I feel the same, I am back after long break and it's pretty empty space |
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