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buzzee
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Posted : May 10, 2005 17:57
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On 2005-05-10 17:42, Neville Bone wrote:
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On 2005-05-10 17:27, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
Neville...
This is quoted from the brilliant work that Jeff, forumer here, has made a few months ago..
(the complete thing is here : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/psychedelic_trance/ )
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| Of course, nobody agrees on which track was the first Goa anthem. The question is probably of little relevance. Strangely enough, it is not a track intentionally meant for the Goa parties which is often looked upon as the first proto-Goa trance tune. It is The KLF - What Time is Love, judiciously labelled "Pure Trance version", released in October 1988. Nevertheless, there is a strong link between the KLF and Goa Trance : in the 80's, three key protagonists of the forthcoming Psy scene were at the sides of Jimmy Cauty, 50% of The KLF, in the group Brilliant.
First of all Martin Glover, a.k.a. Youth, bassist of Killing Joke before participating in the project The Orb, and who founded the first Goa label, Dragonfly Records, to spread this music to a wider audience than the DATs happy-few, after he enthusiastically came back from the Goa beaches. |
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1988 here...
Before that, in the year 1985, a guy called Frankie Knukles, "deejay" in the mythic WareHouse in Chicago, revolutionized the way of using the records.. Instead of simply "link" them he will also "mix" them.. and later introduce the sampling in his sets.. The guy will give birth to what so many people here are bashing : House music.
In 1983 already, three guys from Detroit, Derrick May, Juan Atkins and Kevin Saunderson were creating a sound that skipped the voices, and was based on loops.. What will become Techno.
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I've been listening to (What we today call Trance) since 1992 & techno since 1994 & house since 1990.
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Sorry but you are not the navel of the world..  
Cheerz.
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Hey KAKO...
Wht was I supposed to read in the link you recommneded?
A decade of trance?When was this written anyway,this year?
And what,
A decade of trance?Yes,in Goa but,trance was created in Europe and then introduced to India so I'm still confudes about this!!!
Now let me go further.... 
In my opinion trance was invented by OZRIC TENTACLES back in the 70's mate although some call it psychedelic rock but the bassline,the sounds,the energy,the vocals,the bpm and the psy in Ozric's music is 100% trance to me.Offcourse they used to use more guitars than synths but that is the only different thing in my opinion.
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You answered it for all of us.....
OZRIC TENTACLES made some kind of music that was like Trance, but it was called Psychedelic Rock....Which means it not called Trance...
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Neville Bone
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Posted : May 10, 2005 18:00
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On 2005-05-10 17:57, buzzee wrote:
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On 2005-05-10 17:42, Neville Bone wrote:
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On 2005-05-10 17:27, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
Neville...
This is quoted from the brilliant work that Jeff, forumer here, has made a few months ago..
(the complete thing is here : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/psychedelic_trance/ )
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| Of course, nobody agrees on which track was the first Goa anthem. The question is probably of little relevance. Strangely enough, it is not a track intentionally meant for the Goa parties which is often looked upon as the first proto-Goa trance tune. It is The KLF - What Time is Love, judiciously labelled "Pure Trance version", released in October 1988. Nevertheless, there is a strong link between the KLF and Goa Trance : in the 80's, three key protagonists of the forthcoming Psy scene were at the sides of Jimmy Cauty, 50% of The KLF, in the group Brilliant.
First of all Martin Glover, a.k.a. Youth, bassist of Killing Joke before participating in the project The Orb, and who founded the first Goa label, Dragonfly Records, to spread this music to a wider audience than the DATs happy-few, after he enthusiastically came back from the Goa beaches. |
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1988 here...
Before that, in the year 1985, a guy called Frankie Knukles, "deejay" in the mythic WareHouse in Chicago, revolutionized the way of using the records.. Instead of simply "link" them he will also "mix" them.. and later introduce the sampling in his sets.. The guy will give birth to what so many people here are bashing : House music.
In 1983 already, three guys from Detroit, Derrick May, Juan Atkins and Kevin Saunderson were creating a sound that skipped the voices, and was based on loops.. What will become Techno.
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I've been listening to (What we today call Trance) since 1992 & techno since 1994 & house since 1990.
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Sorry but you are not the navel of the world..
Cheerz.
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Hey KAKO...
Wht was I supposed to read in the link you recommneded?
A decade of trance?When was this written anyway,this year?
And what,
A decade of trance?Yes,in Goa but,trance was created in Europe and then introduced to India so I'm still confudes about this!!!
Now let me go further....
In my opinion trance was invented by OZRIC TENTACLES back in the 70's mate although some call it psychedelic rock but the bassline,the sounds,the energy,the vocals,the bpm and the psy in Ozric's music is 100% trance to me.Offcourse they used to use more guitars than synths but that is the only different thing in my opinion.
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You answered it for all of us.....
OZRIC TENTACLES made some kind of music that was like Trance, but it was called Psychedelic Rock....Which means it not called Trance...
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Actually Trance is like Ozric's music and not vice versa and at that time the name "Trance" was not yet invented but the style YES! |
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shahar
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Posted : May 10, 2005 18:24
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Guys, please, no need to quote the whole damn message! We have the whole thread here- just quote what is relevant to what you're saying!
Now back to the topic. Kako wrote what needs to be written.
As for Ozric- they generated in 70s psychedelic rock, and that is what they did (though they turned more and more electronic as years passed by. However, most of their music is just not trance- and I don't mean the genere- I mean it's not trancing- it's not monotone, it's not repetitive, can't remember one 4 on the floor Ozric track.
Now, of course they've been an inspiration for what a lot of trance artists did and still do- though most of them without knowing it. You can hear Ozric influence in Hallucinogen clearly, and there is your answer.
It happened to me quite a few times that people came to ask me if an old Ozric tune I played in my chill sets is a new Infected Mushroome tune- funny
I tell them it's the grandparents of Infected... hehe...
Another techno and psychedelic rock and and trance connection for you- System 7 (Steve Hillage of Gong) working with Derrik May doing trance on the 777 double CD Fire+Water released in 95.
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shahar
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Posted : May 10, 2005 18:28
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Also a general note- remember we can't be exact here, genre names are only given to them after they have their own format, and that happens usually a few years after they've been there.
Beginnings are always obscured and undefined- which is what makes them interesting of course.
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Neville Bone
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Posted : May 10, 2005 18:33
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On 2005-05-10 18:24, shahar wrote:
[b]Guys, please, no need to quote the whole damn message!
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mubali
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Posted : May 10, 2005 19:56
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There is a lot of techno influence in some psy. If you take for instance some of Dark Soho's older work (mainly the combustion album) there are lots of techno influences there... NRS (fully techno oriented psy as well as Deviant Species) Ghreg on Earth combines industrial and techno into his stuff. My stuff has very heavy techno and breakbeat influence (I was really big into old skool and acid techno) Hujaboy's older stuff and his stuff as BooRekka has a heavy duty techno influence, and do I even need to mention 3point turn and Authentik??? I would even be willing to say that much of the percussion used in psy can be traced back to techno and breakbeat. Its the polyrhythmic aspects of the music that people tend to overlook and polyrhythmic elements were really really present in a lot of the older techno...
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 10, 2005 20:52
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phobium
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Posted : May 10, 2005 21:48
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This is going far off topic ... but, D'n'B is not an offshot of techno. It's an offshot from jungle which again came from reggae/dub.
And about techno comming from Chicago house .. I think it's the other way around
But then again, this can be discussed for ages since no one really knows. It's all just a big melting pot.
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mubali
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Posted : May 10, 2005 22:28
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Actually D&B is an offshoot of techno... There were a whole bunch of techno compilations that were indeed proto-jungle mixed with hard fast techno. Once Drum and Bass became more established it added the Ragga influence, but before the ragga influence was there it was common to hear techno tunes at 150 bpm or higher with a 4/4 kick drum and a breakbeat playing at the same time with both sets of kickdrums in there....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_and_bass
Or according to wikipedia...
How ever you wanna slice it, you can hear elements of all the substyles in psychedelic trance.... That's what made me convert from jungle.
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rich
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Posted : May 10, 2005 23:18
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This is probably veering off the topical road a bit, but
when I first herd drum n bass it sounded like a hip hop beat, kind of sped up with more attack. Hence, I always figured dnb and jungle were offshoots of hip hop.
And Dub to me was clearly an offshoot of reggae.
And while we're at it Psy is most definately an offshoot of heavy metal! |
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zatitude
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Posted : May 11, 2005 00:08
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Remember the detroit techno pioneers please!
Some of the pioneers of electronic dance music were Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson et al - these guys were making funky squelches and flocks of beeps in the early/mid y 80's, certainly innovative and very underground.
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buzzee
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Posted : May 11, 2005 10:13
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Yes this is definetely going off topic...
the topic was all about techno & Trance... |
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Posted : May 11, 2005 10:25
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its one and the same my friend, just add a few more notes and melodys to techno and bam! you have trance! |
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udit
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Posted : May 12, 2005 12:27
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hehe i think the answer is quite clear and has been mentioned enough times on this thread that trance def came from techno...
detroit to berlin to ?? goa?
techno - one loop going round and round and changing little at a time..
trance - many many smaller loops going round in the one loop and sometime making bigger loops within loops and changing each loop little by little and adding more layers(and imagination/landscape)to the loops to create an infinite loop of life waves within waves within waves
techno likes to keep it minimalist and deconstructed while trance like to make it maximist with more and more complexity withing the empty spaces and creating more headspace
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Psilocibino
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Posted : May 13, 2005 22:03
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Hi guys
As someone up there well said, techno comes first! Even more, trance IS techno actually, with some specific characteristics... but still techno.
Before the massive evolution of TECHNOlogical music in Detroit, a small band from manchester (New Order, ex- Joy Division) started to use synths in their band, as well as an 4/4 kick during the song... together with some nice german fellows (Kraftwerk), these two artists and a few more started to make the first steps in TECHNOlogical music... this was the beggining of this movement, the "techno (from technological) music".. then came the rave partys, the house partys, the trance partys, all from techno!
responding to the topic, of course it has techno influences, Trance is Techno!
*cheers*
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